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wellrounded08
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08-01-2009, 05:15 PM
Post subject: Range Exercise
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I was thinking while I read an article and read some HH's here in the BC, what ranges are people putting villains on in various high occurrence situations?
Lets say we open UTG and a tight regular calls in Middle Position, what range do YOU put him on? Think about it, that common situation happens, what do you assume villain has? Try to define the range your usually putting villain on before reading someone else's post and thinking "yeah that's about what I think too." Doing this can cause you to not even realize that you're overlooking hands that are in your own idea of villains range that shouldn't be there, and missing some that should be.
When you open random position and 50/10 - 0% 3b- calls what kind of range are you putting him on? Obviously in a situation like this we're looking at a wider range, and might often be tempted to not even think about it other than "he's calling w/ all the crap a 50/10 calls with, he could have anything" but actually start thinking of some ranges.
This is pretty much the same old mantra you hear a lot around here, but you hear it for a reason. These are just two situations that happen all the time but think of some more(post if you want) that happen very often and figure out what your normal perception of villains range is there. Respond and see if what you think lines up with what some of the better players think. And if you aren't really thinking about what villain has, your a step behind and this would be a great place to start. This is just an idea I had and thought it would be great if we could get a lot of thoughts on the subject! And remember, think about YOUR thoughts before reading others.
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surviva316
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tight caller of a PFR opener kinda depends on how thinking the tight player is. my range (if i'm playing against myself) is like 87s+, 22-JJ, AQs, maybe AQo but i should probably stop doing that. there are people who run like 20/15 who have less legitmate ranges here though. 54s+, AQ+ (including AK), 22-QQ (sometimes even KK+), i've seen random suited Ax's before, KQs and so forth.
second scenario, i've run this one through poker stove quite a few times over the course of my pokerin', and it's like any soooted cards (literally 25s is like always in his range), Ax, K5+, Q7+, J8+, 22+ (weighted a little bit away from JJ+ depending on how big our 0% 3b sample is). this is affected a little bit by his CCPF number because sometimes 50/10's can be limp/fold fish who change their ranges when facing raises, but limp like 100% of their hands.
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clvacva
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for tight player:
TT-22,AQs-A9s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
for loose:
AA-22,
AKs-A2s,K2s+,Q7s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,54s,43 s,AKo-A2o,K7o+,Q7o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,87o,76o,65o,54o
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by clvacva
for tight player:
TT-22,AQs-A9s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
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is this the range you would call with? if so i would SINCERELY reconsider your own range for continuing against an UTG PFR. some of them are ok to 3b against an FTR reg
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philly and the phanatics
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at 2nl- assuming i am raising 4xbb
ajo+,kjs+, a9s+, qjs, j10s, 55+
other guy
a2s+, a9o+, k7s+, k10o+, 22+, q8s+, 76s+, 22+, j10o+
this is NOT my range in the first example...this is what i feel like the aveage "tight" player in 2nl is calling with.
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clvacva
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not my calling range surviva
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wellrounded08
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
at 2nl- assuming i am raising 4xbb
ajo+,kjs+, a9s+, qjs, j10s, 55+
other guy
a2s+, a9o+, k7s+, k10o+, 22+, q8s+, 76s+, 22+, j10o+
this is NOT my range in the first example...this is what i feel like the aveage "tight" player in 2nl is calling with.
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On the first range there, I would suggest including 22 33 and 44, I just think that it's rare people are folding this to a standard raise.
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Robb
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Tight: 22 - JJ, AJ+, KJ+
Loose: 22+, Ax, Kx, Q7+ and Qxs, J7+ and Jxs, all sc's and 1- and 2-gappers (sooted) + a bit more junk
An interesting question is what this tight player might be 3b'ing us with - some even just flat with QQ and AK, but certainly they tend to flat JJ/TT and AQ.
I like this exercise, especially for those looking at shots at 25nl FR and 50nl 6m in the near future where Tagg-regs abound. Another good exercise is thinking about how this range widens for a Tagg-reg in the CO?
Nice thread.
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philly and the phanatics
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tag cut off range, is this him opening or calling our bet?
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Robb
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
tag cut off range, is this him opening or calling our bet?
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same as OP, Hero UTG preflop raiser, TAGG-reg in the CO flats.
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philly and the phanatics
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hmm, i guess i would adjust my original ajo+,kjs+, a9s+, qjs, j10s, 55+ ,
to be all pp, a9o, axs, k10o+, k9s+, q9s+, j8s+, and any sc above 67
sound realistic?
edit:::: i really dont see a tag playing the jack hands, and is this what some of you play as your calling range cause i find myself much tighter than this....should i open up my calling range on the cutoff?
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