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10-06-2008, 11:34 PM
Post subject: Random Q's (Mainly Cash Based)
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Howdy,
Am preparing for a serious stab at cash. A few questions if you please.
1) In the MTT thread "Did I donk post flop?" I posted how I ran pocket Ks into a flopped set of 3s, bet the flop of 3Q7, got reraised, moved all in and grabbed my virtual coat on the way out.
Anyway advice for spotting trips? Sure I got reraised but in the $4.40 180 man SNGs (and poss 25nl???) I'd expect that play from a villain holding QA.
2) Maybe unanswerable but at the low levels, like 25nl, what percentage of players are the numpty types and what percentage are serious and knowledgeable, like you guys?
This kind of ties in with question 1). If I am being reraised, especially on flush draw boards and seemingly dry boards, it's essential to know if I'm likely facing a level one "Woo hoo! I hit top pair!"type or a more nefarious set hunter.
3) The few times I have played cash, I have struggled to respect the limits. being 3 bet to 0.06 makes me liable to call as it's just a few cents. This is MY problem, I know. Has anyone else (Slevin apart) who has experienced this and overcome it? Perhaps it's tough because I am used to tourneys that, though costing the same, have stacks that run into thousands.
And, errr, that's it for now. Cheers.
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spoonitnow
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A few tips in no particular order:
Try thinking of shit in terms of % of the effective stacks preflop, and stack-to-pot ratio post-flop.
Put Villains on ranges every time it's your turn to make a decision.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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xX zorrito Xx
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2005
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standard players normally limp/call preflop and check raise a set on the flop or turn... sometimes they open push if it's pretty obvious you have aces or kings...
the biggest thing to remember is that all you're holding is one pair... and then ask yourself... ok this guy is clearly showing massive strength right now... what can i possibly beat?.. are there draws on the board?.. what are his tedencies?.. is he tight passive?.. tight aggressive?. loose aggressive?..
also you gotta pay attention to the board... be VERY VERY cautious of paired boards and three to a straight on the flop... that' s how a lot of people stack off aces or kings...
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DaddyDeez
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1: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ck-t29053.html good advice in that thread even though its like 3 yrs old the info still seems relevant today. Sometimes u run into donks who have watched Hellmuth on tv too much and decide slowplaying is always the right choice, not much u can do to recgonize those sets but just mark those players and make em pay when u have a flush or oesd.
2: like 80 - 90% of the players are bad at micro stakes even most of the regulars are terribad. get PAHUD or invest in HEM or PT to help u identify imo. even without a hud its pretty simple to keep a notebook or whatever and keep track of certain players u sit down with alot, and there habits.
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Try thinking of shit in terms of % of the effective stacks preflop, and stack-to-pot ratio post-flop.
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ofcourse dont take my advice to srs i'm newb.
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I post nonconstructive piss
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out of what, like 80 people on my 9 tables only 5 were full stacking tags and they're like bad too, passive and try to slowplay and crap
I think less than 5% of people at NL25 are thinking tags
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xX zorrito Xx
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Flush
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i love love love tight passive people... free draws and then they hand over their stack... 
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I had an overpair, he had a set and didn't even stack me when I potted the flop and the turn
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Put Villains on ranges every time whether you are in the hand or not.
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and, to add....most of us posting in THIS forum are bad. and, we either refuse to admit it, or dont know it yet. but, then again, "bad" is a relative term.
one of the biggest tips i received on "spotting sets" was, at low stakes, if villain cold calls a pfr and gets frisky post flop....beware. that doesnt mean you should put him squarely on a set. it just means your antennae should be up.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Thunder
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Thx guys and thx for the link.
Some more questions I meant to ask (but forgot):
1) How ready should we be to stack off? In tourneys, with the need to amass chips & escalating blinds, we do so often - even on the wrong end of a 60/40.
Yet with cash you can reload, so do we jam with a set (as you would in a tourney) or play more small ball/more reserved? Maybe check/call rather than reraise all in? I am thinking this because you're never gonna clear out a guy who can rebuy and there isn't that desperate need to accumulate chips asap.
2) And what with? Set or above? Straight or above? As mentioned, in tourneys, this can often be with TPTK.
Again, your answers will really help (even though I know each hand/game is opponent specific). I am just wary of folding top 2 pair - to some buffon who has gone all in on a bluff - 'cause I fear a set or even worse, calling a guy who has the nuts with my weedy TPTK.
if 80%+ are terribad donkeys (let alone terribad thinkers) then I don't need to be so scared of calling.
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1) just jam it in with a set and hope the guy has TPTK or an overpair
2) opponent-dependent
against some people TPNK is the nuts, against some you would need top two
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jyms
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Every hand in cash games is player dependant. You need to have reads, you need to have stats and you need to make every play based on your opponent. This ain't micro tourney poker where your hand is the be all end all of how you proceed. As an example. If I don't get a chance to 3 bet my JJ+ AK hands, I am not stacking off, unless I have a note that says "will stack off with TP 100BB's deep" or "TP is the nuts" Take notes, in cash you see the same people all the time.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Thunder
Thx guys and thx for the link.
Some more questions I meant to ask (but forgot):
1) How ready should we be to stack off? In tourneys, with the need to amass chips & escalating blinds, we do so often - even on the wrong end of a 60/40.
Yet with cash you can reload, so do we jam with a set (as you would in a tourney) or play more small ball/more reserved? Maybe check/call rather than reraise all in? I am thinking this because you're never gonna clear out a guy who can rebuy and there isn't that desperate need to accumulate chips asap.
2) And what with? Set or above? Straight or above? As mentioned, in tourneys, this can often be with TPTK.
Again, your answers will really help (even though I know each hand/game is opponent specific). I am just wary of folding top 2 pair - to some buffon who has gone all in on a bluff - 'cause I fear a set or even worse, calling a guy who has the nuts with my weedy TPTK.
if 80%+ are terribad donkeys (let alone terribad thinkers) then I don't need to be so scared of calling.
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This is why it's soooooo important to have a constant idea of what your opponent's range is because then you can decide if you can make that call with two pair or if you should lay it down, and things of that nature.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Thunder
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Been watching some games on PS. Ranging ain't going too well. They are literally having any combination of the flop cards. Shall keep it up and get some HH for perusal here.
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Stakes? Makes a difference.
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Thunder
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Flush
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Thunder
Been watching some games on PS. Ranging ain't going too well. They are literally having any combination of the flop cards. Shall keep it up and get some HH for perusal here.
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It's hard to do without stats or reads unless you're just playing a few tables and concentrate really hard on keeping up with who does what. It's probably the single most important skill for cash though, so it's definitely worth practicing like all the time.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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al yell
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10-07-2008, 10:25 PM
Post subject: Re: Random Q's (Mainly Cash Based)
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Thunder
3) .... I have struggled to respect the limits. being 3 bet to 0.06 makes me liable to call as it's just a few cents.
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u need to play higher stakes imo (while still practicing good BR management obv.) 25nl is a good place to start regardless of your roll. If you have any decent sorta winrate after ~10k hands take a shot at 50nl.
gl.
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Thunder
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Flush
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[quote="spoonitnow"]
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Originally Posted by Thunder
It's probably the single most important skill for cash though, so it's definitely worth practicing like all the time.
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And this is just one reason why I class myself as a beginner still, despite playing and (usually) winning for over a year.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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[quote="Thunder"]
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Thunder
It's probably the single most important skill for cash though, so it's definitely worth practicing like all the time.
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And this is just one reason why I class myself as a beginner still, despite playing and (usually) winning for over a year. |
There's only one way to get better at it. Start playing cash.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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