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Old 12-08-2009, 08:38 AM     Post subject: rakeback for the grinders... P-stars vs FT #1 (permalink)  
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 I play 25nl and will soon be moving up to 50nl, play 500 hands/hour and I play at Pokerstars.

I am looking at my "rakeback" at P-stars, and think it is definitely not what I could be getting if I switched to FT. Am I right to think that even at the 25NL that you can get 27% rakeback at FT?

I only ask b/c right now I am pretty sure I am only getting about 8-10% equivalent through P-stars through their "cash bonus program"
(I am a Silverstar)

Over my last ~30,000 hands I have paid about $600 in rake, and accumulated 3162 VPP's (4743 FPP's), which is about equivalent to $50 in rakeback.

If I am right then at FT my rakeback would have amounted to $162.

Am I missing something? Are there any huge drawbacks to switching to FT? I know that they deduct their points or whatever from your account but that is essentially what P-stars does too...


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Old 12-08-2009, 09:22 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 yeah, unless you're a supernova, Pokerstars rakeback sucks. you could prolly clear FTP's 600 dollar deposit bonus at 25nl, so switching wouldn't be the worst idea ever. be sure to get a referral if you're going to start rakeback (a lot of people on here can give you a referral to raketherake)
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:27 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Note that unless I'm mistaken FTP takes higher rake at the mentioned stakes than PokerStars does.
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 I have been researching jus this topic for myself. There are threads over on 2+2 and nobody is putting together a great comparison really for cash games. Near as I can gather, until you can get to above $50NL and make supernova on stars, FT is better. I am in the process of trying to find someone to do a thread detailing the Full Tilt Bonus and RB structure like Spoon did for the Stars FPP system. Unfortunately I have not found anyone that knows the details in and out as well and is willing to take some time to do a detailed post about it.
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:41 AM #5 (permalink)  
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be sure to get a referral if you're going to start rakeback (a lot of people on here can give you a referral to raketherake)
Sorry not sure what this means... I thought I could just sign up through raketherake?


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Old 12-09-2009, 06:49 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I have been researching jus this topic for myself. There are threads over on 2+2 and nobody is putting together a great comparison really for cash games. Near as I can gather, until you can get to above $50NL and make supernova on stars, FT is better. I am in the process of trying to find someone to do a thread detailing the Full Tilt Bonus and RB structure like Spoon did for the Stars FPP system. Unfortunately I have not found anyone that knows the details in and out as well and is willing to take some time to do a detailed post about it.
It's pretty simple.
the summary.
27% rakeback is the standard, you'll get this everywhere on FTP.
so, what extras are there?
depends on your grind style.
the extras include:
1) rake races. Forget about it unless you rake $5k a month if you're there via RTR
2) iron man medal bonuses. You receive medals as part of the iron man promotion. Various ways to receive these (earn > x points in a day, achieve a particular iron man status, etc. The longer you're in the iron man promotion the greater your earn rate for these). Bonuses available for purchase are $100, $300, $600.
3) iron man freerolls. Overlay varies depending on your ironman level.
4) FT player points. These can be used to purchase items in the store, they're worth about $3-$3.50/thousand points. A thousand points means $1k taken in rake from your tables, so 6-max and that's $160 of rake from you, and 9-max it's $110
5) iron man half-year and end year bonuses.

If you're patient this will turn up in a simple looking table split by stakes to give equivalent rakeback vs stakes and volume + longevity at the site.

Does the stars one need an update vs proposed changes in vpp earn on stars in 2010?
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be sure to get a referral if you're going to start rakeback (a lot of people on here can give you a referral to raketherake)
Sorry not sure what this means... I thought I could just sign up through raketherake?
It means, make sure someone is considered your referrer. Raketherake pays an extra 4% to the person that links you or that you claim referred you. You lose nothing and someone gains 4% from RTR. It takes money form the rakeback provider and gives it to the player pool by allowing someone to earn 4% on top of your regular RB.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:04 AM #8 (permalink)  
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It means, make sure someone is considered your referrer. Raketherake pays an extra 4% to the person that links you or that you claim referred you. You lose nothing and someone gains 4% from RTR. It takes money form the rakeback provider and gives it to the player pool by allowing someone to earn 4% on top of your regular RB.
Wow really? I had no clue. So they earn 4% of the rake I pay? Every month? Can someone do this multiple times so they are earning multiple 4% bonuses through rakeback?


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Old 12-16-2009, 06:22 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 FT rakeback is the only reason I am still playing o_O it's nice and easy to cash in on.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:42 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 I'll throw in my .02 as someone who went from PS to FT over the summer and actually did it at 25nl fr as well (although I apologize I don't have specific #s to share).

The bonuses are way better at Ft. I believe it's a bit easier to earn them and the signup bonus is a big gimmie esp for someone like you playing uber hands/hr at a solid level. And sometimes they just throw them at you and say 'here is 100 bucks' as they did in Dec. Seriously all I had to do was click OK to accept the bonus. Nothing else. As mentioned above there are a bunch of neat little sidebars such as iron man as well. I would also say that at 25nl at least ft is a bit softer. Nothing dramatic but imo it's noticeable.

I don't know the #s on rakeback as I wasn't smart enough to do that back then. But the ps rake program is a bitch and I'm writing this on my phone so I have to stop here but i would. be happy to answer any questions u have.
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