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johnny_fish
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02-09-2006, 03:11 AM
Post subject: Raising suited connectors
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4-of-a-Kind
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When?
Why?
Discuss. 
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sejje
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I believe the general idea is to mix up your play and become less predictable.
You're trying to build a pot and take it down, or make your hand if there's resistance.
This is for aware opponents, and just to keep them on their toes. I don't believe it's necessary until limits where opponents are actually aware.
I also believe that it's generally -EV. If suited connectors are making money when you raise them first in, it's because any hand would make money there.
This wasn't my idea though, so I'm probably not qualified to discuss the merits of it. I play low limits, and I don't do it except on a steal or at a nasty-tight table. And I'd rather just switch tables.
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Chicago_Kid
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When I'm feeling frisky, I'll raise SC's from MP, and be ready to throw fold/raise post flop. I mix up my PF raises from 3x-8x, so I usually stick to the low side with these. I like 9Ts and JTs here, lots of fun scenarios.
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I think that if you are going to raise suited connectors it is SAFER to raise 67s and 89 then 9t and jt. Because less poeple play 6A then A9 and at for a raise. and thus one can be more confident on a pair. Just a thought though
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Demiparadigm
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=20631
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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salsa4ever
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in a nutshell, it's profitable if your opponents:
are bad pre flop - call too much
and bad post flop - fold too much (and can't get away from a pretty hand when you've 2 paired or hit big).
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
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Rondavu
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Do a search for suited connectors and dredge up a goldmine of information.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Miffed22001
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Axs suited connectors in lp regardless.
for sure at tight tables in maybe mp too.
Learn to play the flop appropriatly.
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twosevoff
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I raise a good 90% of the time preflop (assuming the pot hasn't been raised) with suited connectors in 6max (34s+ and one gappers 35s+). I will lead the flop virtually every time with a 2/3-3/4 pot sized bet regardless of what I have. This has proved profitable for me so far, and it serves to garner me more action on my good hands. Another added benefit to playing this way is you hit a good amount of runner-runner monsters which you can often break people with. It does reduce the effectiveness of c-bets though.
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WhooFleuryScores
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I think you can raise SC ocassionally to vary your play against obervant opponents.Make sure you don't overplay them if you miss.
It also helps to make them realize you're not always raising AJs+ and TT+ in order to ensure some action.
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
in a nutshell, it's profitable if your opponents:
are bad post flop - call too much (and can't get away from a pretty hand when you've 2 paired or hit big).
and bad pre flop - fold too much
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I think you got them the wrong way around 
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dev
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I play with a guy who does it regularly in a 1/2nl at a bar we play 2-3 times a week. I haven't talked with him about it but I'm pretty sure I know the logic behind it.
It's always a weak pot builder kind of raise, whatever everyone will call, and it's never in early position.
There is a large spread of skill levels at these games, so here goes:
Fish don't know, don't care, and will gladly build a big pot and go broke with TP vs lots of agression.
Mediocre players tend to pay him off because he gets involved in a lot of pots, and they figure he's probably bluffing at that raggy board.
Better players realize what he's doing, but don't know exactly what he has. He does this with anything from 34s-9ts, including one gappers. So if the board is raggy, he could have nothing, a pair, two pair, a straight, or a superdraw. He could concievably use this kind of move with a big pair in order to get a big pot off of the better players once the fish are out. I haven't seen him do that yet, but I'm looking for it.
Personally, I do it online if I can steal blinds, and I might do it in a really loose-passive game to build a pot. I only will do this in B+M games to mix it up vs. better players.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Better players realize what he's doing, but don't know exactly what he has.
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This is exactly why he does it-to counter the good hand readers and ensure future action on his premium hands and to vary his play.Makes for a dangerous opponent.
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