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sil693
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03-04-2009, 03:20 PM
Post subject: this is quite possibly standard, btu it confused me.
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Full House
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copied from my blog: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...gh-t80535.html
Preflop 3bettor is 13/10/3 with a 3bet% of 3, over 3.5k hands.
His 3bet% from SB and BB are 8% and 10% respectively. Im on a few tables of his and have folded to a couple of his 3bets recently on other tables.
BTN is 11/7/2.9 over 670 hands. His range here is almost entirely small-mid pp's with the occasional SC.
Despite this being a good spot for BB to 3bet, I don't 4bet because if I do he won't continue with anything except AK, QQ+. When he checks the flop I'm pretty sure he doesn't have AA/KK/QQ as he has no reason to slow play his big pairs. So I'm pretty sure BB has nothing, and imo BTN is only putting more money in the middle if he hits a set/straight.
I might be seriously overthinking this, but is this a bet or a check?? Thanks guys.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ThomasEngine ($30.95)
UTG+1 Plissken ($25.00)
MP Hero ($36.05)
CO Rowniwn ($28.35)
BTN theruso ($25.00)
SB 4pierro4 ($4.75)
BB pcboi ($32.50)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 7 players) Hero is MP  
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, theruso calls $1, 1 fold, pcboi raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.50, theruso calls $2.50
Flop:    ($10.60, 3 players)
pcboi checks, Hero ($32.55)?
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HeAVyB101
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Your play preflop seems standard. On the flop I would bet $7 after he checks. He is either trapping with AA or KK, or missed his hand with AK would be my guess. He's a little too nitty to have 3-bet 99 TT or JJ preflop, and I definitely dont think he tripped up. If he comes back over the top of you on the flop I would have to let this hand go. If he smooth calls see what the turn brings and be cautious. Try to get to showdown without putting much more money in the pot. My 2 cents.
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dev
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I think we have to bet here. Button's range continues here a lot and if we bet and he calls, the nit in the blinds basically has to turn his hand face up. The only thing I'm worried about is the button getting us off this hand by raising 66 or something.
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kmind
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I bet and fold to a BB c/r but continue if SB continues in any fashion because your ranges seem good.
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sil693
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Originally Posted by kmind
I bet and fold to a BB c/r but continue if SB continues in any fashion because your ranges seem good.
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i presume you mean continue vs BTN??
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kmind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by sil693
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Originally Posted by kmind
I bet and fold to a BB c/r but continue if SB continues in any fashion because your ranges seem good.
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i presume you mean continue vs BTN?? |
right, sorry just woke up
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Muzzard
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I 4bet preflop as pcboi is likely 3betting pretty wide here and he may shove with a wide range too,
I think the other guy is basically set mining, so he's either gunna raise w/set or fold. I think pcboi would lead all his high pair hands and probably c/r all his strong draws here, lilke AKcc and fold everythign else. Pcboi probably knows we have JJ/QQ or possibvly AK a big % of the time.
I bet and fold to the set miner, I'd have to think about pcboi.
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dev
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I don't see how a 13/10 could be 3betting that light OOP. Are the 3b%'s (8% and 10%) accurate?
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by dev
I don't see how a 13/10 could be 3betting that light OOP. Are the 3b%'s (8% and 10%) accurate?
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i'm sure u'd find his squeeze % was at least 3-5% which is pretty high. I probbaly have a lot of hands on him, but I purged my DB recenly, it'd only show up on my HUD, but he's not at the tables right now so I can't check. His squeeze % is more important than his 3b % here imo
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sil693
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in my DB his squeeze% is 5.6 over those 3.5k hands.
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Muzzard
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fwiw I have him running 16/12 over 1.1k, with a 4% 3b and 8% squeeze. Easy 4b imo
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bigspenda73
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I don't like a 4bet here, however, I'm never folding on this flop versus the stats muzz posted.
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