Originally Posted by jmontis

what about massive pot odds + implied odds, since he doesnt know he's drawing dead preflop, only to the minimal possibility he hits an 89TJ flop

hell this is just so improbable it's not even worth discussing heh

Originally Posted by okietalker

45 would win with a flopped 2 pair and start saying all sorts of pot odds shit.

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Specifically, while it is approximately never correct to fold AA, it is probably sometimes correct to fold KK, and often correct to fold QQ.

Originally Posted by Seasider

I guess you need AA x 2 and KK x 2 and that takes care of 4.

Originally Posted by Zangief

This is obviously read-dependent (no very aggressive players involved) and assumes rational players, but I think once there is a raise, re-raise, and re-re-raise, QQ is usually beat.

Example:

FullTiltPoker Game #218398813: Table Double Arch - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:51:55 ET - 2005/09/14
Seat 1: DizzeeRascal ($15)
Seat 2: Bad Beats 4 U ($22.60)
Seat 3: Zangief ($47.90)
Seat 4: Boiler131 ($10)
Seat 5: TripSearchin ($31.65)
Seat 6: Hendawg2 ($5)
Seat 7: Harkilicious ($10.25)
Seat 8: luke_golf ($9.75)
Seat 9: Born2playpoker ($15.60)
luke_golf posts the small blind of $0.10
Born2playpoker posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Zangief [:Qd: :Qs:]
Bad Beats 4 U has 15 seconds left to act
Bad Beats 4 U raises to $0.75 <--- Takes a long time thinking UTG, then raises
Zangief raises to $2.50 <--- I reraise
TripSearchin calls $2.50
Hendawg2 folds
Harkilicious folds
luke_golf folds
Born2playpoker folds
Bad Beats 4 U raises to $8.25 <--- Big re-re-raise, I'm probably beat, and no need to call $5.75 for set, either
Zangief folds
TripSearchin calls $5.75
*** FLOP *** [8c 2h 9s]
Bad Beats 4 U checks
TripSearchin checks
*** TURN *** [8c 2h 9s] [Th]
Bad Beats 4 U bets $10
TripSearchin folds
Uncalled bet of $10 returned to Bad Beats 4 U
Bad Beats 4 U shows [:Kc: :Kd:] (a pair of Kings)
Bad Beats 4 U wins the pot ($18.40)
TripSearchin adds $1.60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.35 | Rake $0.95
Board: [8c 2h 9s Th]
Seat 1: DizzeeRascal is sitting out
Seat 2: Bad Beats 4 U collected ($18.40)
Seat 3: Zangief folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Boiler131 is sitting out
Seat 5: TripSearchin folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Hendawg2 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Harkilicious (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: luke_golf (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Born2playpoker (big blind) folded before the Flop

Originally Posted by Seasider

I guess you need AA x 2 and KK x 2 and that takes care of 4. Then you need two idiots at the table, I see a lot of people flipping over 'great drawing hands' like J10 sooted after calling all ins. So I'll throw one of those in, diamonds because they're so pretty! And then probably a pair of Jacks or something, although this call would be really hard to imagine! A guy called all in against me with 88 yesterday but I would hope even in the craziest players brain some sort of alarm bell would be ringing!

Anyone want to flood onto a $5 table on stars and all go all in first hand, it'd be a hell of a hand history to post?!

Anyway on an aside in the British film 'Croupier' there is a scene where the hero is dealing to his mates. They arn't playing texas holdem, maby 5 card draw or something. He deals it so they all request the correct cards and end up going all in, the last player taking the money. I cant think of specifics as I dont know the game but the hands built up to a Royal Flush via quads full house straight etc. I think he ends up sleeping wit the woman he makes win.

Originally Posted by Lukie

I think it's pretty clear that you are beat here, but why not just call and hope to flop a set? Maybe you can make this fold if you think the guy behind you is going to push, but he didn't come over the top of the first reraise.