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**Reesy** · 08-09-2007 10:57 PM

Playing .10/.25 ring game, with this hand came up and was just wondering whether i could have played it any differently and shouldnt have pushed. was pretty sure that there was nothing i could do to get away from it in the end.

POKERSTARS GAME #11391883325: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/08/09 - 09:33:36 (ET)
Table 'Lupus IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: MikeBIF ($22.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Reesy118 ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 3: D1MMU ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 4: oudeweg57 ($42.85 in chips)
Seat 5: salomon99 ($53.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Jallie ($10.85 in chips)
D1MMU: posts small blind $0.10
oudeweg57: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Reesy118 [Qh 8h]
salomon99: folds
Jallie: folds
MikeBIF: calls $0.25
Reesy118: calls $0.25
D1MMU: calls $0.15
oudeweg57: raises $0.25 to $0.50
MikeBIF: calls $0.25
Reesy118: calls $0.25
D1MMU: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Jc Th 6h]
D1MMU: checks
oudeweg57: checks
MikeBIF: checks
Reesy118: bets $1
D1MMU: folds
oudeweg57: raises $2 to $3
MikeBIF: folds
Reesy118: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Jc Th 6h] [4h]
oudeweg57: checks
Reesy118: bets $4
oudeweg57: raises $8 to $12
Reesy118: raises $12.80 to $24.80 and is all-in
oudeweg57: calls $12.80
*** RIVER *** [Jc Th 6h 4h] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oudeweg57: shows [Jh Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
Reesy118: mucks hand
oudeweg57 collected $54.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.60 | Rake $2.85
Board [Jc Th 6h 4h 8c]
Seat 1: MikeBIF folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Reesy118 (button) mucked [Qh 8h]
Seat 3: D1MMU (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: oudeweg57 (big blind) showed [Jh Ah] and won ($54.75) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: salomon99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Jallie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

**mixchange** · 08-10-2007 12:23 AM

By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat and you have 0 FE. You have been re-raised 2 straight steets. Terrible time for a bluff.

**Pelion** · 08-10-2007 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by mixchange

By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat and you have 0 FE. You have been re-raised 2 straight steets. Terrible time for a bluff.

We have the third nuts. Im pretty sure this isnt a bluff.

Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position. Once you hit a flush you want the money to go in against a range that is mostly weaker flushes and occasionally sets/ 2pairs.

**SHAKE** · 08-10-2007 03:32 AM

fold pf

**Fnord** · 08-10-2007 03:35 AM

Pre-flop isn't that bad. I might even raise.

**Unibomber14** · 08-10-2007 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Pelion

Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position.

Am I reading it wrong? It looks to me like he is on the button. In which case he is in good position. I think you played this fine.

**Fnord** · 08-10-2007 03:28 PM

Against a lot of players you can fold this turn.

**Pelion** · 08-10-2007 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Unibomber14

Originally Posted by Pelion

Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position.

Am I reading it wrong? It looks to me like he is on the button. In which case he is in good position. I think you played this fine.

bah I replied drunk and thought he was UTG+1 for some reason. Yea preflops ok and raising first time around is also nice. I wouldnt limp/reraise the minraise after so many others had called though.

**sejje** · 08-11-2007 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by SHAKE

fold pf

Sigh, why do we do this?

That's clearly not what he's asking about.

Originally Posted by mixchange

By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat

Whaaaaaaaat?

OP, that hand plays out about the same for me. Shrug it off and move on to the next one.

**spoonitnow** · 08-11-2007 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by sejje

OP, that hand plays out about the same for me. Shrug it off and move on to the next one.

**jyms** · 08-11-2007 06:45 PM

PF is more than fine with this many callers, Stop showing results when you post hands. As for the flop I C-bet more ( $1 into $2 pot sucks) and probably 4 bet shove if I think my Q is a good over. You have to think, if you put him on a J then you have 15 outs, the flush, 3 Q's and 3 9's for the str8. That puts you a mile ahead of anything he would min raise preflop.

**Pythonic** · 08-13-2007 06:37 PM

I don't like playing Q or K suited cards. You want to be the one playing the suited ace busting the suited queen or king for their stack.

**Stagemn** · 08-13-2007 06:53 PM

PF - Fold. Play only QTs or QJs from Button.

As played......

Flop, bet 2/3 pot. You have 9 outs to a flush, plus three other 9's to a gut inside str8, plus three Q's to a over pair. That's 15 outs. You're basically 1.8 to 1 to win the hand at showdown. Call the raise.

Rest looks OK, but villian was bad to min-raise from the BB and you played horrible pre-flop.

08-09-2007 10:57 PM #1
Reesy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 41	Quick Question Playing .10/.25 ring game, with this hand came up and was just wondering whether i could have played it any differently and shouldnt have pushed. was pretty sure that there was nothing i could do to get away from it in the end. POKERSTARS GAME #11391883325: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/08/09 - 09:33:36 (ET) Table 'Lupus IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: MikeBIF ($22.95 in chips) Seat 2: Reesy118 ($28.30 in chips) Seat 3: D1MMU ($23.65 in chips) Seat 4: oudeweg57 ($42.85 in chips) Seat 5: salomon99 ($53.90 in chips) Seat 6: Jallie ($10.85 in chips) D1MMU: posts small blind $0.10 oudeweg57: posts big blind $0.25 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Reesy118 [Qh 8h] salomon99: folds Jallie: folds MikeBIF: calls $0.25 Reesy118: calls $0.25 D1MMU: calls $0.15 oudeweg57: raises $0.25 to $0.50 MikeBIF: calls $0.25 Reesy118: calls $0.25 D1MMU: calls $0.25 * FLOP * [Jc Th 6h] D1MMU: checks oudeweg57: checks MikeBIF: checks Reesy118: bets $1 D1MMU: folds oudeweg57: raises $2 to $3 MikeBIF: folds Reesy118: calls $2 * TURN * [Jc Th 6h] [4h] oudeweg57: checks Reesy118: bets $4 oudeweg57: raises $8 to $12 Reesy118: raises $12.80 to $24.80 and is all-in oudeweg57: calls $12.80 * RIVER * [Jc Th 6h 4h] [8c] * SHOW DOWN * oudeweg57: shows [Jh Ah] (a flush, Ace high) Reesy118: mucks hand oudeweg57 collected $54.75 from pot * SUMMARY * Total pot $57.60 \| Rake $2.85 Board [Jc Th 6h 4h 8c] Seat 1: MikeBIF folded on the Flop Seat 2: Reesy118 (button) mucked [Qh 8h] Seat 3: D1MMU (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: oudeweg57 (big blind) showed [Jh Ah] and won ($54.75) with a flush, Ace high Seat 5: salomon99 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Jallie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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08-10-2007 12:23 AM #2
mixchange View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2006 Posts 1,863 Location San Francisco, CA	By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat and you have 0 FE. You have been re-raised 2 straight steets. Terrible time for a bluff.

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08-10-2007 12:59 AM #3
Pelion View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 4,563	Originally Posted by mixchange By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat and you have 0 FE. You have been re-raised 2 straight steets. Terrible time for a bluff. We have the third nuts. Im pretty sure this isnt a bluff. Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position. Once you hit a flush you want the money to go in against a range that is mostly weaker flushes and occasionally sets/ 2pairs.
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08-10-2007 03:32 AM #4
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08-10-2007 03:35 AM #5
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08-10-2007 09:06 AM #6
Unibomber14 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2007 Posts 521 Location The future	Originally Posted by Pelion Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position. Am I reading it wrong? It looks to me like he is on the button. In which case he is in good position. I think you played this fine.
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08-10-2007 03:28 PM #7
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Against a lot of players you can fold this turn.
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08-10-2007 05:47 PM #8
Pelion View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 4,563	Originally Posted by Unibomber14 Originally Posted by Pelion Your mistake in this hand was the preflop limp in poor position. Am I reading it wrong? It looks to me like he is on the button. In which case he is in good position. I think you played this fine. bah I replied drunk and thought he was UTG+1 for some reason. Yea preflops ok and raising first time around is also nice. I wouldnt limp/reraise the minraise after so many others had called though.
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08-11-2007 03:06 AM #9
sejje View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 878	Originally Posted by SHAKE fold pf Sigh, why do we do this? That's clearly not what he's asking about. Originally Posted by mixchange By his turn re-raise its pretty obvious you are beat Whaaaaaaaat? OP, that hand plays out about the same for me. Shrug it off and move on to the next one.

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08-11-2007 05:53 PM #10
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08-11-2007 06:45 PM #11
jyms View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message TILTING MOD Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 9,295	PF is more than fine with this many callers, Stop showing results when you post hands. As for the flop I C-bet more ( $1 into $2 pot sucks) and probably 4 bet shove if I think my Q is a good over. You have to think, if you put him on a J then you have 15 outs, the flush, 3 Q's and 3 9's for the str8. That puts you a mile ahead of anything he would min raise preflop.
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08-13-2007 06:37 PM #12
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08-13-2007 06:53 PM #13
Stagemn View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 195	PF - Fold. Play only QTs or QJs from Button. As played...... Flop, bet 2/3 pot. You have 9 outs to a flush, plus three other 9's to a gut inside str8, plus three Q's to a over pair. That's 15 outs. You're basically 1.8 to 1 to win the hand at showdown. Call the raise. Rest looks OK, but villian was bad to min-raise from the BB and you played horrible pre-flop.

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