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Post subject: quick bank roll question
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what is the easiest way to build a $20 dollar bank roll too a $100 one?
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$20 flips. This is a bitch question anyway. Who gives a fuck what the easy way is?
Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?
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Originally Posted by mr.duvall25
wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?
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I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."
I can't understand the rest of your post.
Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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you can flip with me if you want.
we can do $10 instead of $20 so you're only risking 50% - and you have a 50% chance of winning!
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wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?
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I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."
I can't understand the rest of your post.
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oh i c thanks man $2nl is that 2/5 cent tables how much bb's should i go in with so i guess ill play 2/5 cent @ 2 dollar buy in till i reach 100 bucs that will take forever any more advice feel free to comment again thanks man... thats what i came for tips not arguments please follow my post to c where im at and ill post hands too thanks guys
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wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?
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I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."
I can't understand the rest of your post.
Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites. |
oh i c thanks man $2nl is that 2/5 cent tables how much bb's should i go in with so i guess ill play 2/5 cent @ 2 dollar buy in till i reach 100 bucs that will take forever any more advice feel free to comment again thanks man... thats what i came for tips not arguments please follow my post to c where im at and ill post hands too thanks guys |
2nl is NL Hold'em with blinds at $0.01/0.02.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations no point in bluffing at this stake its horibble please please not 1/2 cent its not even poker its crap poker $20 roll anything but 1/2 cent please.... really its horrible
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Originally Posted by mr.duvall25
no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations no point in bluffing at this stake its horibble please please not 1/2 cent its not even poker its crap poker $20 roll anything but 1/2 cent please.... really its horrible
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I am right and you are wrong. Here are some of the reasons why.
1. You don't have the bankroll for 5nl.
2. You are rather unskilled at the moment and should play as low as possible.
3. If you can't beat 2nl, you won't be able to beat any other level of NLHE online.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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calling stations are so -ev
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good luck trying to bluff at 5nl, or 10nl, or 25nl, or even 50nl.
maybe you should just start at 100nl since some of the players will be sophisitcated enough to read your bluffs as value bets and fold.
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Check out my blog here!
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good luck trying to bluff at 5nl, or 10nl, or 25nl, or even 50nl.
maybe you should just start at 100nl since some of the players will be sophisitcated enough to read your bluffs as value bets and fold.
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no like it becomes OK to bluff at 50NL
then at 100NL bluffing is the fucking nuts THEY NEVER CALL A SHOVE WITHOUT A SET/TWO PAIR (against regs lidog)
then at 1/2 bluffing is OK because people start hero calling you when you do stupid shit
and I hear at 25/50 you should play pretty solid, but I haven't really been there so I can't confirm
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this has to be a level
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your banner burned here
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no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations
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I fail to see that as a problem
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I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."
I can't understand the rest of your post.
Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.
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Donk calling stations are the primary reason my rolls grown from 1.5k to 7k in 3 months. I loooove those guys.
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Just playing to improve.
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Hustle my friend! A little bit there and little bit there adds up to a little bit in two places.
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no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations no point in bluffing at this stake its horibble please please not 1/2 cent its not even poker its crap poker $20 roll anything but 1/2 cent please.... really its horrible
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I am right and you are wrong. Here are some of the reasons why.
1. You don't have the bankroll for 5nl.
2. You are rather unskilled at the moment and should play as low as possible.
3. If you can't beat 2nl, you won't be able to beat any other level of NLHE online. |
Do this.
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<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.
JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
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play nl 2. Too be honest youre not even rolled for that high of a limit. If they have nl 1 than play that. Theres no best way to build your roll, just play winning poker and grind it out
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Me? I always tell the truth.
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Go up to where they respect your raises. Give 25NL a shot...and use your bluffing skills to beat everybody.
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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OMG dude. You not wanting to play at 2NL because of "too many donk calling stations" says you are at the absolute bottom of poker food chain. The quicker you realize this, the sooner you will start making money. FTR ain't one the best of poker forums for nothing. Listen to these people, they know what they're talking about and only trying to help. Like someone else said, if you can't beat 2NL you won't be able to beat any other level, and that's the nuts. You have to be able to adjust to these types of players. This means play tagg, bluff way less, value bet way more, and don't slowplay, because they'll call with anything. Get it? Now go make monies... and read a book... and the digest. It's not about how fast you move up to the next level, it's about what you learn in the process.
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yah 2$ nl here i come guess i wont bluff there any more i thought it was a part of the game. its when reading and stuff im learning from high ranked poker pros with massive skill all those skills do not work at super low stakes . c betting, floating, 3 betting, check raising the shit doesnt work in the micro world trust me. i always ask my self how could he call that down with nothing. so im going to play 2 dollar nl as a super tight aggressive, and not bluff at all.....when do i move to 5 nl ?
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If you want to do things right, move up when you have at least 20 buyins. Fancy plays only work against good players or at least players who know how to find the fold button. You will find that people call to the river with nothing, at every level. You will just find less of them. Best thing you can do for yourself is to be humble and leave your ego at the door.
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20BI's for 5NL
25BI's for 10NL
30BI's for 25NL
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cbetting, floating, 3 betting, check raising the shit doesnt work in the micro world trust me.
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really? because im pretty sure cbetting is the nuts at 2nl.
People call down 3bets really lightly so you get more value out of your good hands, floating and check raising both have their spots as well against the more aggro 2nl'ers.
How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.
Dont move up to 5nl until your roll is at least $125
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Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.
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LOL where's the smiley emoticon eating popcorn when you need it???
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How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.
i have played over 10000 hands a month i like to play more i was muti tabling like 8 at a time and staying even but i really think my game is going into mtt tourneys. after i build that roll to like 3 or 4 hundred i will start playing 5$ nl cash again. as for spelling and grammar im sry that is my weakness in life lo but the points r there... thanks for the info on buy ins boys peace
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10,000 hands a month...lawl
some people around here clear that before the sun sets
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.
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LOL where's the smiley emoticon eating popcorn when you need it??? |
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How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.
i have played over 10000 hands a month i like to play more i was muti tabling like 8 at a time and staying even but i really think my game is going into mtt tourneys. after i build that roll to like 3 or 4 hundred i will start playing 5$ nl cash again. as for spelling and grammar im sry that is my weakness in life lo but the points r there... thanks for the info on buy ins boys peace
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OK you dumbazzz need to start listening up. This fella plays TEN THOUSAND HANDS A MONTH and you treat him like he's a noob for gods sake. Why the hell don't you all just listen he obviously has the experience to back up what he says!
Now we know how your bankroll got so HUGE!
LMAO
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sharkscope him for a good laugh.
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his graph is upside down??
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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I cannot believe I actually read all of the OP's posts..
my first thought:
This cannot be for real.....are we sure this isnt Xianti or nutsinho having a laugh?
my next thought:
If this is real....  ...wow
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Without any sarcasm whatsoever, this graph actually explains everything. This is a pretty textbook case of a losing player booking a [relatively] big win and deciding to switch to that game, no longer believing they are a losing player. It's pretty standard for how this sort of thing goes, and is the mindset that keeps fresh money in the games. OP's mindset has to change before anything else will.
Edit: This is basically an intervention.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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his official poker rankings numbers don't suck
im not crazy about the attitude portrayed in his posts, tho
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OMG dude. You not wanting to play at 2NL because of "too many donk calling stations" says you are at the absolute bottom of poker food chain. |
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ive only been playing 10 months give me a break look at the in the money percents pretty above average over a large field for a beginner. i said beginner! just got my feet wet and would of had a roll over 1000 bucs if i never took money out and would be playing higher stakes. im not saying im the best poker player in the world or going to be....im saying im off to a great start... i know, not to with draw money if i want to make real money..and play higher stakes. i will win a tourney this month and keep it in my account. one of my goals is to become silver star status this month im about 20 percent there i hope i can make it.... its pretty tuff being my roll is a little low.  another goal is to stay in the top 5 percent of players on opr for stars. i lagged a little bit because i explored cash games for 2 months. im sry for getting up in everyones face im just trying to justify my own life.....so i have some small goals that i will attain i hope and will work hard trying to do it. i just played 1000 hands of full ring cash games 9 tables at a time. 1 cent 2 cent with a dollar buy in and made like 5 bucs the skill is there! i think i need to work on attitude and discipline for the game  im not that bad of a player compared to the 1000s of real donks out there who love ace rag. i personally hate that hand lol. october is my 1 year anniversary of playing poker and i want to have a grand in there by then..... i got goals im pretty good for a beginner and think 1k is attainable by october. then ill take it from there ..... crazy drama post lol
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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"i have played over 10000 hands a month"
serious level, but he does a good job
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Yeah, there is no way this guy plays 10k hands a month.. Just now way. Not only that, but the best part about OP's whining here is the fact that all of the things he's scared of
Oh please please please...
Bluffs don't work
floating doesn't work
They call with anything
is the best news anyone will ever tell you. THAT'S HOW YOU WIN THA MONEEZ MORAN!
Play straightforward poker at 2nl and even a retard like me can beat it.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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yes i played over 1000 hands just today. i hit over 10000 hands a month easy.. and yes i was pissed at guys donk calling me down and watching my bluffs fail all day. because i was a new player i thought bluffing was a part of the game i soon realize that in low stakes theres no point in that. now i know these things and i play tighter then a muther fucker.
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I'll go easy here b/c I'm new and thought like you did a year ago....I was always pissed b/c I would occasionally get beat by some goon who called my QQ with 59o and hit 2 pair....
But like everyone has said, its the best situation for an idiot to call your strong hands like that.
In the long run you are a huge favorite...
By getting pissed off, what you are saying is that the only time someone should call your bets (when you have QQ) is when they have say TT+, AQ+.....
Thats not a lot of hands to run into at the table....
I ran even for over a year at 2nl b/c I was awful.....I read articles here, took advice, IOPQ called me a pussy on a few occasions and I immediately turned it around (got through 2nl in about 6K hands)
2nl is impossible to lose at if you play a solid range, bet properly, and locate the fold button when behind....that is all you need at 2nl guaranteed. If you are still lanquishing in 2nl.....you are doing something wrong.
As for the pros having a hard time at 2nl...you need to provide proof, no one is buying it.
Daniel Negreanu has spent some time at 2, 5 andt 10nl and was killing it (proper BR management aside). Absolutely killing it, esp 2nl and 5nl...
Hopefully you listen to the hundreds who have already forged ahead of us.....g/l
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If you want to play MTT's I would recommend freerolls.
There are plenty to go around, and they are not that hard to cash in.
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In my experience in playing on stars, with a limited Br the easiest most mechanical grind would be to play hundreds of the 1.20 single table sng's . They are non turbo and they qualify for the weekly sng battle of the planets leader board. If you check out the promotion all you need to do is to make it into the top 100 and you get a weekly bonus.
I agree with everyone in saying that 2nl is very beat able, but it sounds like you've had greater successes in tournament structures. This may be a good way to increase your BR and experience with the lowest variance since each sng will only represent the 5% of your BR. Where in the 2nl game a max buyin will rep 10%+.
I believe it is one of the lowest variance games, although your profit may be minimal it will give you a ton of experience in seeing hands. and your success will be easy to track, once you start getting on the high orbit leader board that weekly bonus will be huge.
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mr.duvall25
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 40
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mmm i like the advice here.. I like playing the $1 45 mans on stars i played over 1000 of them and have a positive ROI i wanted to play single table sngos but they dont keep track of the stats on opr so i stayed away, because i like to know if im loosing or winning over time... i like the idea of cash games so i had to explore them wondering whats better in the long run. just trying to move up some way some how. more more advice i love it
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
Posts: 5,842
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sharkscope.com
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Just playing to improve.
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Galiana
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Spain
Posts: 20
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play 0.05 stakes,u got 20$ if u play right u can get a nice bankroll in a coulple days
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if u cannot spot the sucker on the first half hour at the table,you are the sucker.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,836
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^^^
[ ] read the whole fucking thread
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