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shysti

03-15-2006, 09:44 PM Post subject: Questions about not being results oriented

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I was rereading this thread:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=13539

And a question popped into my head, and I know this may be a dumb one but I have to ask.

Based off this passage:

"The professional player, on the other hand, KNOWS (I mean absolutely knows) that each hand is played in a vaccuum. The entire universe resets with each deal of the cards. Nothing that happened before affects what is happening now, from an "odds" standpoint. They play optimal play over and over. And if that doesn't give them the result they expected FOR THAT SESSION, then they go to bed without a second thought. They get up the next day and play exactly the same way. If
they don't get the RESULTS they expected, then they do it again the next day. (This assumes you know how to play poker, by the way, and you're playing correctly.) "

How does one know they are playing correct poker, if they don't base their play off of the results (such as actually making money). I mean, how does one know that he/she is playing correct poker? I am basing this off of someone who is fairly new to the game 1 year + max.

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jackvance

03-15-2006, 10:31 PM Post subject: Re: Questions about not being results oriented

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This kind of confidence comes from already knowing (from past experience) you are good. These experts tell you this.. but realistically you can't just do the same if you are a novice. You don't have the past experiences to back up this confidence.

Neither do I.. that's why I take a combination of looking at my wins/losses, using after-the-fact judgment based on everything I learned (mostly here) and statistical analysis in my head to figure out where I stand.

It's the same with everything in life. I remember this girl, who is a very good dancer, telling me I should just dance and don't care how it looks, because that's what she does. (I suck at it so I never dance) When I pushed her on it a bit.. she admitted that she only stopped caring when she started getting frequent compliments about her dancing skills and invites to dance for money etc. Before that, she admitted after thinking it through, that she was pretty self-conscious about how it looked too.

Another example.. in some past I used to get very self-conscious around women. Now I simply don't care anymore.. but that is only BECAUSE I have stacked up so many past experiences, so I basically know a lot of the time women will like me/be into me.. especially so if I get to talk my game to them. So if I strike out.. whatever.. not my day I guess, or this particular girl I couldn't have. Among the next couple so I meet, I'll probably have a few winners again.

To summarize: You can only expect to have this confidence with enough past experience (success) that tells you the way you do things is right.

If you lack this experience, you sure as hell better look at your results, ie the money you make, or you will never improve. Chances are good you have many leaks so this confidence does you no good anyway.

spoonitnow

03-15-2006, 10:53 PM

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Edit: I wrote a kind of long post, then realized, "Holy shit I didn't even answer your question. "

In a nutshell, if you're consistantly beating your game over a lot of hands, you're probably playing better than your opponents. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean you're playing correctly in all cases, but you're making less costly mistakes than they are.

The idea of playing correctly in the context of aok's post is probably more along the lines of if you finish a session down a lot of money or get knocked out of a tournament because of a bad beat or something in a situation where you played the best you could and couldn't really help it, then it shouldn't bother you or piss you off, because there's nothing more short of being psychic that you could of done about it.

I should go back and reread this before I post it, but fuck it. Hope it helps.

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Rule # 1: don't ask questions

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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.

andy-akb

03-15-2006, 11:54 PM

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Basically, if you are getting your money in with the best hand, you are playing "correct" poker. There is much more to it than this though as different situations call for different plays. Sometimes its correct to pass up small edges, and other times its correct to take marginally "incorrect" spots

aaokwitme

03-16-2006, 01:27 AM Post subject: Re: Questions about not being results oriented

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shysti

READ READ READ THEN REREAD.
Harrington s books are good , The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky,
Doyle Brunson's Super System, tournement poker for advanced players by David Sklansky. then right your own stuff do your own math, find a way that works for you. mostly know thy enemy and know thy self.

whatever

shysti

03-16-2006, 02:57 AM

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Thanks guys, I was playing devil advocate here more than anything, because I am not a novice by any means.

Still the answers were great, and offered me some insight in the things I already knew, hopefully this helped others as I intended.

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