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exsentrik
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08-09-2005, 07:12 PM
Post subject: Question and your view!?!
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Alright, so im playing this home game, and everyone I play with is really good. We all are on our way to building healthy bankrolls. I guess you can classify all of us as tight aggressive players. We have tournaments of about 5 to 7 guys and we buy in for about 20 to 50 bucks. Top 3 postions pay out. So anyways I get dealt AKs hearts and the flop comes up Ace (spades) 7 hearts and 2 hearts. So im sitting on top pair with a possible flush draw. My friend acts first and checks and I raise 150. He goes all in. We are both sitting at about even in the chip count. The way I figure I got about 13 outs and aboiut 46% ish to take it. And im thinking that he wouldn’t call a 2 7. I put him on top pair cuz he sometimes goes all in with top pair to scare of limpers. I think about it and I call. We turn them over and hes got a set of 7’s. The turn and river and 4 of clubs and 10 of dimonds. I lose
So my question is, did I act wrong in calling? I think I did the right thing, but I might have read him wrong. Im not complaing, just want to know your guys feed back!
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ImMrFish
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3-of-a-Kind
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We need to know what the preflop action was like. How much did you raise your AK? Who had position on who?
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exsentrik
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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sorry
He was big blind and i was on the button. The tournment was at the 2nd level, blinds were 10 and 20. Preflop i raised to 50 and he had called.
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exsentrik
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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no takers?
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G3O
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Join Date: May 2005
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It's easy for me to say, but in that situation, I would have folded. Here is why:
1) He called a weak PF raise. This should tell you he has something moderately good. More importantly, making a weak PF raise advertises that you have something speculative- AKs for example.
2) Remember that you are not the only one doing the reading. You raised preflop, and hit your A on the flop. If your opponent is any good at all, he will see that, and know he has you beat.
3) You were check-raised. This means trouble for you. When facing a tricky play like an all-in check raise, I use the "2 pair rule"- If I can beat 2 pair, I call. If I can't, I fold. Of course this if not a hard rule, but I find it effective when used together with reads.
Still, I think your play wasn't that bad. You had TPTK and a flush draw. Poker is just a cruel game. lol.
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"Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am the master of my fate, the captain of my soul." - Some dead guy with a great sense of irony.
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exsentrik
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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don't you think that even if I knew he was holding a set i was in a good position and should have made the call?
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Gatlin Dan
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by exsentrik
don't you think that even if I knew he was holding a set i was in a good position and should have made the call?
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If you know you are against a set, why put your whole tournament on the line so early? You'd have had a lot better places to get your chips in.
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"A lot of fortunes are made on what you don't play."--"Miami" John Cernuto
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ensign_lee
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If you didn't know he had a set, this isn't too bad of a push. If he had two pair, you still have other outs.
If you know he has a set, then you can only beat him with a flush, and even then, he may draw to a FH while you get your flush. If you know he has a set, you do not call.
But I can't fault you too much with TPTK and a flushdraw.
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TLR
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Tough position
It is very hard to answer without knowing the stack size.
I think that if I can lay down the hand and still have a decent stack to continue the tournament I would fold, if folding would put me in a really short stack position I would call
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Greedo017
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Full House
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i could only fold that with a read. the flop is pretty. i'd be fearing a set but call unless my op was a rock incapable of doing this without a set.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Yeah I almost have to be dead to fold TPTK plus nut draw. IF he showed you the set I think it's a fold, but we need stack and pot sizes to be sure.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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1. If your going to raise AK preflop make it 5bbs to go.
2. When the flop comes down and you bet your ace and get raised all in someone probably has a set.(cant be sure without stack sizes)
3. I would never be all in on a draw unless i had a lot of outs AND the pot was huge. This wasnt. You stood to lose 200 chips.
4. Thus no need to call. I'll take your opponents set against your tptk and flush draw any time if you call his all in.
why?
Ah Kh 295 29.80 695 70.20 0 0.00 0.298
7c 7d 695 70.20 295 29.80 0 0.00 0.702
Them is odds i like.
So to your question. I dont call.
p.s (as for the fish who just called my all in with the flush draw against my set on the turn, i will make you pay even though i posted this!!!! grrrr)
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G3O
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Join Date: May 2005
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by exsentrik
don't you think that even if I knew he was holding a set i was in a good position and should have made the call?
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Since we are speaking hypothetically, then No. Google or search the forums for "Slankskys Fundamental Theorem of Poker".
You only have 9 hearts that will help. The 2 remaining Aces are poisoned. Therefore 9 outs= apprx. 36% chance. That roughly makes you a 2:1 dog.
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"Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am the master of my fate, the captain of my soul." - Some dead guy with a great sense of irony.
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Ltrain
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miami, Florida
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Sets are very difficult to read, especially in NL. I thought you played the best you could in a tight spot, especially hitting your Ace.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Hatefulcow
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I lost $33 on one hand with TPTK last night to KK when I had AQ. I hit the Q and there was a possible flush draw on the board. I pushed about $7.50 to get the draw out of the hand and got re-raised by $25. Had I thought about wtf he had more thoroughly or though about the little smirk he gave as a tell subconsciously I'd have folded but I figured he was on the nut draw or something to that effect and I had the best odds. Damn was I wrong. He flipped the cowboys for some reason even tho he wasn't all in. The turn came a blank and he bet ten I folded. Yea so... not very many hands that have pot odds to go against TPTK. It's a tough lay down if you do.
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