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01-16-2008, 01:31 AM
Post subject: Question regarding ranges
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Ok well, I played poker a little bit before Frist UIGEA, beat 10nl, broke even at 25nl.
My deposit goes through on the 23rd, so I have been studying the game as much as I can until then.
I think I am finally understanding the whole concept of putting a player on a hand range and therefor knowing were you stand.
One of my main questions is if a player is for example 24/20, he raises 20% of the time preflop limps/calls 4% correct?
So what range of cards is he raising with?
And say an opponent who is 15/10, what is his raising range?
Thanks
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If someone is 24/20 it's safe to assume he is open raising his entire range. The 4 percent is mostly him calling other people's raise. He is also raising some junk hands in position to pick up blinds.
You should download pokerstove. basically if you think he is raising his top 24% it comes to 66+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T9s,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo
but this may not be his exact range. He could raise 22 + and have a much tighter A suited range. Also decent players will be opening a much smaller range in early position, sometimes any two cards when folded to on the button.
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ProZachNation
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Ok cool, I got pokerstove. Thanks
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use pstove and play with it. remember, though, pstove is giving "limit HE" ranges. it leans towards AXs and some multiway hands because more pots go multiway in limit...w/ drawing odds.
however, it still gives you a great idea, imo, of what villain likely contains.
another thing to remember...some players are positionally aware. others are not. if you can decipher which is which, they may run the same stats pf, but they play very different ranges.
the positionally aware villain will widen his calling and raising range the closer he gets to the button. he may only be playing AQ+/TT+ from UTG. but, the villain who is UNaware may be playing his entire range of 22+/any two broadways/AXs/89s from EP.
see the difference?
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Yeah I understand, so a villain could be 24/20, and be raising 5% of his range UTG and 35% on the button, or a donk and raise 20% of his range from any position.
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Originally Posted by ProZachNation
Yeah I understand, so a villain could be 24/20, and be raising 5% of his range UTG and 35% on the button, or a donk and raise 20% of his range from any position.
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exactly. donks usually dont have 24/20 stats though 
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Ok cool, light bulb moments for me.
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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01-17-2008, 03:55 PM
Post subject: ranges
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How do you guys set up or keep track of your own ranges (to start with, until memorized)
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do you break it down into UTG/Early/late/BB/SB?
can anyone give me an exdample of a standard range for a tight agg player?
i have trouble throwing pairs away, but im thinking i should be tossing lower pairs in early position, but i wanted to see some ideas of what others use to start...
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depends on how tight/loose you want to run.
standard TAG? about 15-20 vpip.
ep- 66+, AQs+/AK, KQs
mp- 22+, AJs+/AQ+, KQ, maybe a little suited or connected stuff
lp- 22+, AXs+/AT+, KTs+/KJ+, QTs+/QJ, 56s+, (57s+ maybe)
something like that. some of that changes if the pot is raised, or if its limped. if its HU or multi-way.
hard to cover all the scenarios in a forum, and in text. but, thats the jist of how to figure it out.
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Originally Posted by ProZachNation
Yeah I understand, so a villain could be 24/20, and be raising 5% of his range UTG and 35% on the button, or a donk and raise 20% of his range from any position.
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I've just added %attempt to steal to my HUD, which gives a great idea of whether players are positionally aware, therefore giving a much clearer idea of their range.
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I've just added %attempt to steal to my HUD, which gives a great idea of whether players are positionally aware, therefore giving a much clearer idea of their range.
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How exactly is that defined? Stealing from button? SB? CO?
Does it only count when it's folded around to the stealer, or does it count as a steal if there are limper(s) and he's the first to raise?
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Originally Posted by badgers
I've just added %attempt to steal to my HUD, which gives a great idea of whether players are positionally aware, therefore giving a much clearer idea of their range.
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How exactly is that defined? Stealing from button? SB? CO?
Does it only count when it's folded around to the stealer, or does it count as a steal if there are limper(s) and he's the first to raise? |
I have been using the same stat for some time now as well. Since the 3 bet thread started by Sauce to be exact. It has to do with open raising from the CO, button or SB. Anyone with a decent amount of hands with 20% or higher, needs to be looked at as a positionally aware opponent.
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why clutter up the tables w/ all the stats? y'all need to learn to utilize the "pop up windows" on HUD.
unless, you play at AP and change your table sizes.
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You should download pokerstove.
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Is pokerstove free???
and where do i get it???
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Originally Posted by Chopper
why clutter up the tables w/ all the stats? y'all need to learn to utilize the "pop up windows" on HUD.
unless, you play at AP and change your table sizes.
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How do you use the pop up windows?
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wesrman
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01-23-2008, 11:22 PM
Post subject: thanks spoon
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Full House
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Thanks spoon, can i just download it for free????
is it easy to use and install???
I'm computer retarded..lol
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I personally find that putting people on ranges by their VPIP/PFR stats is not all that helpfull.
I mean, sure it's helpful if you're multi-tabling and you can quickly see if they are a 74/5 donk, a 55/40 maniac, a 10/6 nit etc etc but anything more than a generalisation is close to useless IMO.
You're much better off just REALLY observing the game, noting anything "out of the ordinary" for any particular player's basic playing style, and taking note on their postflop game rather than looking at the difference between a 24 vpip and a 28 vpip because as mentioned above, you could have 3 24/18 players all playing completely different hands in completely different ways, in completely different situations.
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01-24-2008, 12:42 AM
Post subject: Re: thanks spoon
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Originally Posted by wesrman
Thanks spoon, can i just download it for free????
is it easy to use and install???
I'm computer retarded..lol
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It's free, just download and install. It'll take you like 2 minutes to figure out how to use it.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by Chopper
why clutter up the tables w/ all the stats? y'all need to learn to utilize the "pop up windows" on HUD.
unless, you play at AP and change your table sizes.
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How do you use the pop up windows? |
with GT+, you can "hover over" and get more stats. not sure if theres a place to turn that feature off/on. but, i used to only use the icons on players, since i knew their ranges, and would hover over when i need more info....like SD #'s, specific vpip, pfr, AF, etc.
with HUD, you go into preferences, i think, and "enable pop-up stats." it works great at stars, py. you just click on the players name, and up they pop. you can configure them in there somewhere, but i dont remember well enough to just give directions. but, its easy enough to play with and figure. its a HUGE help to me because i only display...
vpip/pfr/AF/hands
fold flop/fold turn/wtSD
for the rest...like steals blinds, profitability, cbet %, etc....i use the pop up. i also use more specific notes when i spot stupid stuff.
it just keeps my tables clean. i dont have numbers completely enclosing a players name and av.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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