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bigredhoss

10-29-2005, 01:57 AM Post subject: question for higher stakes lag players

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dunno if this is dumb and im sure its very table-dependant, but..overall, does more of the profit from this style come from continuation bets when everyone misses the flop, or from "miracle flops" (i.e. you raise pf with 76s, flop is 985, someone else has 99)?

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Humphrind

10-30-2005, 05:27 AM

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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

10-30-2005, 08:49 AM

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Checkways

10-30-2005, 09:03 AM Post subject: Re: question for higher stakes lag players

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I'm not an expert on this at all. But I'm guessing it comes from your cards and not your bluffs. The reason is because they don't believe you and pay you off. Many times people will play back at you with nothing at the wrong times.

Bluffing at the small pots is probably just what keeps you alive. But in this small blind format, I would guess that it only keeps you afloat and establishes your laggy table image. I think it's the big hands that make your money (it doesn't have to be a full house, just pocket aces will do).

Demiparadigm

10-30-2005, 10:13 AM

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The majority of your profits comes from your real hands.
The secret to LAgg play is to find marginal value that most TAggs pass up.
after your real hands, it is big hands that you make that are paid off (usually straights)
and then hands that you bluff to win.

With proper LAgg play your bluffs should break even. (not winning or losing money) The profit in this comes in people paying you off when you have the goods.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

MannerBoy

10-30-2005, 11:32 AM

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Most profitable hands are small pocket pairs who hit a set and the guy cant laydown his over pair , or straights.
If they call ur AA on turn they probably beat u.
Also bet ur draws is a good way to make money on that stakes

aislephive

10-30-2005, 04:46 PM

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The key to winning consistently is to not have to always rely on the cards. That means using position to win pots you normally wouldn't, and avoiding big pots when out of position unless you've got a great hand. Changing gears consistently is a key to throw players off. Sometimes I'll raise three hands pre flop in a row then play like a rock the next orbit. They still think you're playing wild but now you've got a hand. It's one of the keys to getting paid off.

edudlive

10-30-2005, 08:21 PM

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PokerStars Game #2931814066: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/10/30 - 16:18:23 (ET)
Table 'Gratia' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: milla13 ($23.05 in chips)
Seat 2: buccia81 ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 3: edudlive ($30.65 in chips)
Seat 4: RarelyBluffs ($21.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Ronan5 ($12.95 in chips)
Seat 6: blackmore ($21.60 in chips)
Ronan5: posts small blind $0.10
blackmore: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [5c 3s]
milla13: calls $0.25
buccia81: calls $0.25
edudlive: raises $0.75 to $1
RarelyBluffs: calls $1
Ronan5: folds
blackmore: folds
blackmore is sitting out
milla13: calls $0.75
buccia81: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 6d 2s]
milla13: checks
edudlive: checks
RarelyBluffs: checks
*** TURN *** [3h 6d 2s] [4c]
milla13: checks
edudlive: bets $1.50
RarelyBluffs: folds
milla13: folds
edudlive collected $3.45 from pot
RarelyBluffs said, "hmm"
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.60 | Rake $0.15
Board [3h 6d 2s 4c]
Seat 1: milla13 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: buccia81 folded before Flop
Seat 3: edudlive collected ($3.45)
Seat 4: RarelyBluffs (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Ronan5 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: blackmore (big blind) folded before Flop

Thats why it works. I checked the flop because I was busy at another table btw. I just didnt get paid this time.

THeir conversaton:
milla13 said, "pockets"
RarelyBluffs said, "pocket pair"
RarelyBluffs said, "higher"
RarelyBluffs said, "yes"

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m3laNcholy

10-31-2005, 01:51 AM Post subject: Re: question for higher stakes lag players

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigredhoss

question for higher stakes lag players

edudlive

10-31-2005, 02:15 AM Post subject: Re: question for higher stakes lag players

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m3laNcholy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigredhoss

question for higher stakes lag players

higher stakes has nothing to do with it, lagg works because its lagg...you should see rippy own up a 25 or 50NL table

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TalentedTom

10-31-2005, 03:31 AM

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Lag players profit from predictable tight players, lag vs lag is very hard and the money will just rotate around the table. You play loose against the tighties and tight vs the lags. Its not about playing every single hand against everyone, its about puting yourself in a profitable situation.
Eg. Super tight who has 100BB's raises 5x from UTG, you have 56s in CO, everyone folds only reason you call is you know you can break him if you catch.
But if mr.lag raises from UTG you don't have to call with your 56 because he dosn't nessarly have a big hand and the implied pot odds are not there.

Tom.S

MannerBoy

11-01-2005, 07:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edudlive

I checked the flop because I was busy at another table btw. I just didnt get paid this time.

-EV

edudlive

11-02-2005, 05:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MannerBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by edudlive

I checked the flop because I was busy at another table btw. I just didnt get paid this time.

-EV

Well I would have check raised, duh.

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