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Aplomado
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09-26-2005, 02:02 AM
Post subject: Question about online poker sites...
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It's a question about Aces vs. Kings, and online poker rooms in general. Yesterday I got beat by Aces twice when I had Kings. Twice. The day before, I beat a guy's Kigns with Aces. Now I don't play that many tables per day, maybe 3 or 4 sngs. I'm not making any bad beat complaints or anything like that, I'm just wondering if anyone else notices the frequency of Aces vs. Kings. (I play on pokerroom.com btw, anyone who wants to comment on that site is welcome)
Obviously there's the question of how would any online poker site benefit from such a thing, and for a while I dismissed such a thing. But I have entertained the idea that poker sites would benefit by slanting good cards to new players to pull them in and get hooked so they would keep playing even in a losing streak. Maybe they're worried that if they don't give the newbs a leg up at first, they'll get discouraged and won't come back.
Now I'm not claiming this to be the case, I'm just wondering what the merits are of such an idea. It's hard for me to trust an online poker site when I know we're talking about a program that can be altered and not actual poker cards. Any reassurances?
BTW what are your recommendations for best online poker sites. It looks like a lot of you play on PokerStars.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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If you don't trust them, don't play.
That's the bottom line.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Aplomado
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
If you don't trust them, don't play.
That's the bottom line.
-'rilla
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Well, that would be why I'm asking you all. I know how easy it is to get some bad luck and think the world is conspiring against you.
Anyone else play pokerroom?
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DaNutsInYoEye
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~ every 24 times you get KK someone will have AA. If you play long enough you'll find yourself on both ends. It simply happens, but when it does it tends to stick out in your mind which makes it seem like it happens more than it actually does. Except on PokerRoom where it happens approximately 2.4x as often.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Andy Holt
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
Except on PokerRoom where it happens approximately 2.4x as often. |
HAHAHA, corrupting the young poker minds of America
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Muxy
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4-of-a-Kind
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Its simple online poker is rigged and is taking all your money.
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Galapogos
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Also, keep this in mind: How many other cards would get into a showdown which plays out the way KK vs AA would? Yo don't see AA vs 99 very often because 99 will get out when someone starts coming over the top the way AA would. That's how it sticks out in your mind that KK always meets up with AA. That's the most common preflop all-in battle.
I also play at Pokerroom. Nothing suspicious about it at all.
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jmontis
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Aplomado, people tend to justify online poker as rigged because they need an excuse for losing.
Reality: it is not rigged, bad beats happen all day every day everywhere. KK is not going to run into AA very often, in fact, it's so rare you should probably never fold KK without a huge reason.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Greedo017
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its easier to rig a program than real cards?
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Coarse Bung
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I play at Pokerroom, and am profitable there (not like a second income or anything, but at least enough to feel like I'm doing more right than wrong). I have the same conspiratorial thoughts occasionally, but dismiss them pretty quickly. I lost an all-in bet a few days ago with my KK all-in preflop against AA. It sucks----it happens.
I don't think it makes sense that a poker website would give better cards to newbies in order to get them hooked. Gambling addiction doesn't need really need any help to get started; and if a poker website was ever discovered to be manipulating the hands this way, they would be out of business overnight. It just doesn't make sense for poker sites to take on a risk like that when they make free money hand over fist on the rake.
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biondino
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Dude, you are a fool if you're even contemplating that Pokerroom might be rigged. It's human nature to look for something else to blame for one's own failings, but you're not going to last long at poker if you can't excise that attitude and bow before the altar of odds and probability.
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Aplomado
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Originally Posted by biondino
Dude, you are a fool if you're even contemplating that PokerRoom might be rigged. It's human nature to look for something else to blame for one's own failings, but you're not going to last long at poker if you can't excise that attitude and bow before the altar of odds and probability. |
I'm not blaming anyone actually, I've won more than $500 since I started playing there a couple months ago. But running into Aces vs. Kings three times in two days, combined with all the other times I've seen it, is just suspect to me.
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renegaderob1
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
its easier to rig a program than real cards?
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Probably... I used to be really into card magic before poker and succesfully rigging decks and stacking them with no-one noticing takes a hell of a lot of practice. I can count the number of people I've seen who can competently rig a deck well on one hand...
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Greedo017
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online poker is under constant scrutiny. every odd is calculated and determined if its normal by thousands of people (poker tracker). if online poker had any bad odds, it would get out immediately. in a real casino, it wouldn't be hard at all for a dealer to do something as simple as giving new guys more face cards or aces, and this would increase their chances of winning most likely, and be undetectable. i'm sure good dealers could do more than that.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Aplomado
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
online poker is under constant scrutiny. every odd is calculated and determined if its normal by thousands of people ( Poker Tracker). if online poker had any bad odds, it would get out immediately. in a real casino, it wouldn't be hard at all for a dealer to do something as simple as giving new guys more face cards or aces, and this would increase their chances of winning most likely, and be undetectable. i'm sure good dealers could do more than that. |
Fair enough. Again, this isn't a bad beat post, I was just curious about it.
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BIGandRICH
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not to say that you were saying this Aplomado...
but does anyone else find it amusing that so many players think that the poker software is rigged specifically against them and no one else. Like the software didnt like their name or something??? I mean, there is no way that the company could specifically target and individual player or a group of individuals, it would require a huge adjustment to the software. And really anyone who thinks that its "riverstars" or any of the other slogans that get attached to the poker rooms.. well, start chasing flushes and straights on bad odds.. and see where that leaves you. Also never bet TPTK, two pair, Set.. and even straight if you want to be sure.. because you know that flush is coming. And when you hit a flush, just fold it, the board will pair. Fullhouse, forget it, the other guy has quads. Quads.. boom, theres that river straight flush.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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renegaderob1
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
online poker is under constant scrutiny. every odd is calculated and determined if its normal by thousands of people (poker tracker). if online poker had any bad odds, it would get out immediately. in a real casino, it wouldn't be hard at all for a dealer to do something as simple as giving new guys more face cards or aces, and this would increase their chances of winning most likely, and be undetectable. i'm sure good dealers could do more than that.
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That is true - giving one guy face cards more often than others would be fairly easy, I could probably do it in my sleep; however even the better dealers will eventually get caught if they do it consistently... if any1s interested I could always write a post on how to detect deck rigging/cheating in live games 
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biondino
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"giving one guy face cards more often than others would be fairly easy"
If only online poker could rig itself to consistently deal KJo to fish, I'd be thrilled!
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
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yes all online poker is rigged
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pgil
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Full House
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I just read the caption on Midas' picture, and found it to be quite amusing, a bunny with a pancake on its head. Just wanted to say that, and this seemed like the right thread to do it in.
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Tabloid
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10-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Post subject: KK v AA on Pokerroom
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Just happened to me. Was very painful. It came at the end of some horrible sessions, where I also saw the same guy pick up three backdoor flushes taking rubbish into the flop.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with the site, it's just short term bad luck. Ride it out.
There, I'm a lot calmer now than when it happened.
Hello all, by the way, Biondino told me about the site, he's been trying to coach the looseness out of my play.
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DogOnMySide
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10-06-2005, 04:05 PM
Post subject: Re: KK v AA on [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/P
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Tabloid
Just happened to me. Was very painful.
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I thought you were talking about getting a pancake on your head for a second.
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