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A10Chief
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10-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Post subject: Question about odds...
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Germany
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Complete noob question here, but here goes...I'm always seeing people on here talking about "this hand being a slight favorite against a random hand" and other stuff about odds. I know there's a ton of different odds that the pros and other top players know. Can somebody please give me a quick rundown on what odds I need to know and where to find em?
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There's three types of people in the world...those who can count, and those who can't.
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thirteen
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Go here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-odds-charts.html
The navigation for the different sections is on the right.
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A10Chief
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Germany
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Hey thanks man, that's exactly what I needed.
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There's three types of people in the world...those who can count, and those who can't.
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Staresy
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Full House
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Or you can go to www.pokerstove.com and download their hand analyser and put in whatever hands you want to see matched up against each other.
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DBPoker
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10-30-2005, 03:37 PM
Post subject: How to compile 'outs'
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Newbie question here. What do I use when calculating outs? Do I calculate to the nuts or to a hand more likely to win? Here's an example:
My hand: Kc Th
Flop: 5d Td Qc 5c
3 players in before the flop.
I have 2 outs to trips. I have 3 outs to KKTT, likely high 2-pair.
Do I go with 2 outs here or 5 outs when trying to calculate the odds if I should make a call on a bet after the flop?
thanks!
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Xianti
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Calculate for the minimum hand that you believe will beat your opponent's current hand.
In your example, you have to decide whether your opponent is betting with trips, 2-pair, or top pair (or overpair) and go from there. You also need to factor in the likelihood that he may be stone-cold bluffing or semi-bluffing a flush or straight draw.
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TLR
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Quote:
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I have 2 outs to trips. I have 3 outs to KKTT, likely high 2-pair.
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In this example you have 2 outs to a boat since the board is paired.
Out of the 3 k's out one of them completes a flush so it is a 'tainted' out
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DBPoker
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Thanks for the feedback. In the above example, I accidentally included the turn card. I made my outs calculation/call before the turn.
There were five players in on the flop. All called before the flop. I had no information on any of the players to indicate any trends. Basically no one exhibited any behavior that would make me think there was a bluff or they had trips, etc. $2/$4 game and thus $10 in on the flop.
Two $2 raises in front of me, so I counted my outs with the two-pair outs and called a $2 (min) raise. I had it as 5 outs (4-1) vs. $2 bet/$14 pot (7-1). With 3 outs it would be 7-1 and not a sure call.
Was I right to call? Or should I have just counted 3 outs.
Not a very sexy hand, but I want to figure out if I'm doing the right math.
thanks for all the input!
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jmontis
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
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cardplayer.com has a great odds calculator, it should help you get a "feel" for what to expect from hands in situations and draw equity etc..
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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TLR
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In this specific hand I would fold.
After the flop you have MPGK.
Your outs - TcTs - probably good
K gives you 2 pair but completes possible str8s and possible flush - those are tainted outs.
You also have to take into account that you are 4:1 to hit your outs on the turn or the river, but you do not see those 2 cards for $2. First of all if there are 5 people in the pot then 2 can act after you and raise you, but even if they fold on the turn you will probably have to pay $4 to a $20 or $24 pot with 10% of hitting you outs, even if you assume 5 outs
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