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DoubleJ
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09-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Post subject: Quad 7s - Could I Have Got More Value Here
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain is 23/15/3 after 73 hands; kinda passive post-flop so far
UTG ($2.51)
MP ($8.11)
Hero (CO) ($15.10)
Button ($12.51)
SB ($5.16)
BB ($5)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 , 7
UTG calls $0.05, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.15
Flop: ($0.67) 9, 7 , 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold
I called here as I wanted him to lead Turn
Turn: ($1.57) K (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1, MP calls $1
No luck. So...sizing here? I want to keep him in the hand LDO
River: ($3.57) 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero ???
Total pot: $3.57 | Rake: $0.17
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Shotglass
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$3
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bet turn a little bigger
as played $3 on river is fine.
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baudib
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleJ
kinda passive post-flop so far
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Don't expect this guy to lead the turn often. Multiway, I think flatting flop is OK but I'd probably raise.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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3 on the river i think is a mistake.
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oskar
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Villain mostly has 2nd pair to the board or A high, so you want to bet something that gets called by 2nd pair. I would default to half pot or less, but it depends on what he thinks of you. If you want to bet $3, bet $2.8. A million supermarkets can't be wrong.
It's also a fun spot to overbet with your floats and nut hands because villains range is capped and he sets himself up for a guessing game on the river. You don't really want or need a bluffing range there at lolNL tho, so forget what I said.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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wouldn't overbet here cause it's pretty hard to have pure floats in this spot
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oskar
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Good point.
I just want to add that I think $3 is bad in general, because 3.3 will get called with pretty much the same range, and 2.9 will get called with a wider range. I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, but I have nothing to back it up with other than a wikipedia link to a related subject with almost no useful information:
Price point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Carroters
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$2.50 on river - nh - think about villain's river range and what sizing it can call.
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Carroters
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Maybe even less given top of his range is like QQ.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
Maybe even less given top of his range is like QQ.
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this
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Shotglass
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If he's gonna call $2.50 wouldn't you think he'd call $2.80 ish?
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Carroters
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shotglass
If he's gonna call $2.50 wouldn't you think he'd call $2.80 ish?
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If he's gonna call $2.80 wouldn't he call $3.10?
If he calls $3.10 wouldn't he call $3.40?
Repeat a lot of times.
Shit we should just shove.....
Varies from villain to villain but my point I guess is that we could argue that for any bet size without really knowing where this villains inflection point is. Just gotta make a good estimate.
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i wouldnt bet more than like 2.1 on this river
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I like anything from 1.5-2$. I also might bet some stupidly small amount like 1.2$ to induce a raise with weaker hands.
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f*ck it, let's check it back
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i agree that more than $2.5 is too much here. we're basically only getting value from TT-QQ, and even some parts of that range may fold some non-zero %. i probably go $2.1
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Is this an auction now?
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Shotglass
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Is this an auction now?
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Do I hear an overbet shove?
Sold!
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Fuck it let's open fold
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I fold AA preflop.
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I would have just closed the table pre.
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This seems like a really easy, yank out ethernet cable/switch off wireless and email stars requesting the contents of the pot + 2bbs.
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eugmac
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
This seems like a really easy, yank out ethernet cable/switch off wireless and email stars requesting the contents of the pot + 2bbs.
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but how will they get your email if you turned off your internets?
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open shove pre you might hit quads
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kickass
open shove pre you might hit quads
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and we have a winner!
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how does this guy already have 15 posts?
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Quote:
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how does this guy already have 15 posts?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Don't expect this guy to lead the turn often. Multiway, I think flatting flop is OK but I'd probably raise.
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I think this is the best option. I believe he would flat call a min-raise and probably would c/c the turn still. This means you could probably get away with a bigger bet, more than $2.50, on the flop. My range on villian would be AQ+, 88+, and Ax.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicman
I think this is the best option. I believe he would flat call a min-raise and probably would c/c the turn still. This means you could probably get away with a bigger bet, more than $2.50, on the flop. My range on villian would be AQ+, 88+, and Ax.
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????????? i maybe drunk but ya what?
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Magicman
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I think if he min raised to $.90 on the flop then on the turn when he checks you could bet around $1.50 to bring the pot up to $5.47, if he calls. Then on the river you can bet $3 to $3.50 without him folding some pp's since he has already invested so much. I don't know, maybe I am the one drunk, kickass. xD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
we should just shove.....
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I think any bet between $2 and pot is no good
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