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miracleriver
Old 08-13-2007, 05:57 PM     Post subject: QQ, raised all-in on flop #1 (permalink)  
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2NL FR, 2nd orbit at the table and no read.

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MP2 ($1.52)
MP3 ($.97)
CO ($.69)
Button ($3.88)
SB ($1.50)
Hero ($2)
UTG ($1.84)
UTG+1 ($1)
MP1 ($1.94)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.02.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 raises to $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, MP3 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.22, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.18, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($0.59) 3, J, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, MP1 raises to $1.72 (All-in), Hero ???

bad call?
 
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Id probably call this, villian most likely has KJ, AJ but look out for A3s.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:42 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Id instacall this at 2NL. A 3 or a J are both in his range but he has a J more often because its more playable preflop and because there are more combinations on that board.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:23 AM #4 (permalink)  
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cawl...take your beats if their there. This is usually TP
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Easy call at 2nl.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:14 AM #6 (permalink)  
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If I had no reads on my opponents playing style, I'd probably fold.

I base this decision entirely on this article, located in this forum's stickies:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-32893.htm

Basically, the article says that at low stakes, if you hold TPTK or an over pair, then bet 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot and are raised, then you are most likely beat. I play $10NL and have to say that in my limited experience, it holds true.

Just a guess here, but I'd guess that the villian was holding A 3 suited.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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call the push with an overpair at 2NL. 10NL, too.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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snap call. I like the raise size pre to isolate also.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:43 AM #9 (permalink)  
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If I had no reads on my opponents playing style, I'd probably fold.

I base this decision entirely on this article, located in this forum's stickies:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-32893.htm

Basically, the article says that at low stakes, if you hold TPTK or an over pair, then bet 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot and are raised, then you are most likely beat. I play $10NL and have to say that in my limited experience, it holds true.

Just a guess here, but I'd guess that the villian was holding A 3 suited.
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This article is written for raised pots (not re-raised), lots of money behind (3 potsized bets or more) and against very passive opponents who aren't capable of deep, daring bluffs and don't raise when they can't beat unimproved AA.

3bet pots are quite different story. The only rational hand that can beat QQ here is JJ and trappy KK.

Aok should make another section in his PP system, involving playing re-raised pots (before new players start to setfarm AA in 3bet pots).
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:32 PM #10 (permalink)  

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qq complicated hand!
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