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Anosmic
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04-20-2006, 11:56 AM
Post subject: QQ pre-flop
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Never sure how to handle big pairs in pf raising battles.
What do you think of this?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($9.60)
CO ($9.75)
Button ($7.60)
SB ($15.05)
BB ($19.48)
UTG ($5.81)
UTG+1 ($14.11)
MP1 ($5.65)
MP2 ($8.40)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.05.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, CO raises to $0.5, 2 folds, BB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.5, CO Raises $9.75 all-in, BB folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $2.55
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Pelion
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wow thats weird. All the raises were really weak until he pushed. Id either call for either a set or low card flop, or id reraise to $2 or even $2.50.
Again callig the push is read dependent. I think id usually call the push but if hes tight then id fold.
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jackvance
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I think this is impossible to judge without a read.
It might be: Guy sitting on AA, thinking "bingo!"
Or: Guy sitting on 66, thinking "you wanna reraise me tough guy? Well TAKE THIS!"
A few rounds around the table and you can usually tell what kind of person you are dealing with.
Pretty funny, yesterday I got into a 3-way all-in with QQ. Normally not the best idea, but I had already pegged both of them as the 'second kind', so I figured I had a decent chance to be good. They flipped 22 and 66.
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Anosmic
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I've taken down a few KKs with AA recently to be wary. So when he pushed I decided I'd let it go. Didn't have any reads.
If he'd called my raise I'd have been more confident.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I've taken down a few KKs with AA recently to be wary.
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Not sure if your saying what I suspect you're saying but always remember every hand is an independant event.
I call if I don't think he's good/tight/rock.
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ekillian
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Originally Posted by jackvance
I think this is impossible to judge without a read.
It might be: Guy sitting on AA, thinking "bingo!"
Or: Guy sitting on 66, thinking "you wanna reraise me tough guy? Well TAKE THIS!"
A few rounds around the table and you can usually tell what kind of person you are dealing with.
Pretty funny, yesterday I got into a 3-way all-in with QQ. Normally not the best idea, but I had already pegged both of them as the 'second kind', so I figured I had a decent chance to be good. They flipped 22 and 66.
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weren't you just saying
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"I think from now on it's a lay-down unless I've seen this person push with lesser hands too. Starting the poker session with basically one buy-in down is really frustrating, it means I'll basically be playing the next hour just to recuperate it.."
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about KK in similar situations? If you fold KK how can you hold on to QQ thinking they might be "tough guys" ??
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by ekillian
weren't you just saying
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"I think from now on it's a lay-down unless I've seen this person push with lesser hands too. Starting the poker session with basically one buy-in down is really frustrating, it means I'll basically be playing the next hour just to recuperate it.."
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about KK in similar situations? If you fold KK how can you hold on to QQ thinking they might be "tough guys" ?? |
I put the reason in bold.
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flomo
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I've taken down a few KKs with AA recently to be wary.
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Not sure if your saying what I suspect you're saying but always remember every hand is an independant event.
I call if I don't think he's good/tight/rock. |
i'm with irisheyes on this one
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midas06
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The new limp-push?
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I've taken down a few KKs with AA recently to be wary.
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Not sure if your saying what I suspect you're saying but always remember every hand is an independant event.
I call if I don't think he's good/tight/rock. |
Really didn't have a good read on the guy. I don't really get good reads yet, at all.
I like aok's theorem: "The pattern is, you raise, they reraise, you reraise, they push. They have AA."
In the absence of any better reads I'll go with that.
I'm interested in your thinking re: a stronger raise.
He min-raised me and I went 3x his raise. I thought that would be enough. I can really imagine here that he thinks "okay, he's coming I'm pushing these kings/aces".
Of course he could have JJ or 66... I'll never know now.
As for my comment about busting KKs. It's more that having seen it several times lately I've come to realise that while it feels unlikely that an opponent has AA when you have a top pair; it does happen.
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Irisheyes
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3x his raise is enough.
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salsa4ever
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I'm not really happy that BB is in the hand, but I'm not usually keen on 4 betting with QQ.
As played though, I think I call.
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Halv
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I lay 'em down. If this isn't AA/KK then you'll know in not too long. Then just go on to take his money later on. This is the kind of info I want someone else to find out for me.
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TLR
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I think I would just call his initial reraise and reevaluate after the flop.
As played I fold without a read
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Anosmic
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Had another QQ moment today.
He called, I raised, he re-raised, I re-re-raised and he called.
The flop came up 994 and he pushed.
I called; probably stupid.
Anyway, turn came up a Q and I busted his AA.
I think from now on I'm going to take TLR's advice and stop re-re-raising with QQ.
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Renton
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i only ever fourbet with QQ to put shorties all in
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