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thelorax
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07-30-2010, 10:35 PM
Post subject: QQ multi way
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ok so mp1 is a really passive donk hes like 50/1/20agg over like 30 hands. hes c bet like 35%. ive 3b him once before ip and he folded. I dont remember specific reads/stats on utg+1 but the table has been really limpy if you will.
I 3bet pre cause I dont wanna see a flop like 4 handed with QQ and cause most of these guys Im assuming will continue with like ax and smaller pocket pairs and maybe like tjs+.
Im not sure what do do on the flop when he bets 2.50 we have the Q of clubs. he can easily be betting this flop with any ace or like the K of clubs, a made flush or just cause. Im really not sure how this guy plays (or how to interpret his sizing) other than hes been passive and hes showing decent strength leading out with 2 people left to act. I feel like just calling is pretty bad given remaining stacks and we still have utg+1 left to act who could c/r this flop but idk hence the posting of the hand.
This could be really trivial but it had me semi confused.
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thelorax
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thelorax
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thelorax
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hh..(now maybe?)
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thelorax
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($10)
UTG ($3.96)
UTG+1 ($8.37)
MP1 ($10.99)
Hero (MP2) ($11.64)
CO ($10.22)
Button ($10)
SB ($10)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q
UTG bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.50, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.20, MP1 calls $1.20
Flop: ($4.95) 8, A, 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $2.50, [color=#666666][i]Hero??
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NightGizmo
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Do you have any reads on the UTG player? That should be a major factor when considering to 3bet here. 3betting an UTG raiser can be problematic with QQ. Unless he's loose, all that happens is you force him to fold almost all of the hands that you beat and he either calls or raises with better hands. Preflop, I would have simply called the raise.
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pdk1010
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I feel like this is one of those reverse implied odds situations where your going to win the least amount when u win, and lose a ton when you lose....so this is a fold for me
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mz102489
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why 3b?
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thelorax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Do you have any reads on the UTG player?
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yeah i have utg at 50/19/27agf over like 20. given these stats (and the fact hes so short) leads me to believe hes pretty fishy..i remember being ok with stacking off vs just him (this could be bad given that hes utg.. but idk if hes even really positionally aware)
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OngBonga
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I'd be 3betting this spot pf, I wouldn't want to see a flop four handed really, but it's an easy fold there on the flop. There's clearly an ace out there, and maybe the Kc, we're likely in really bad shape. The flop bet pretty much prices us out even if clubs are good for us, we've got roughly a one in four chance of hitting the turn, so we need 3:1, and we have 2:1. Another call from the others might well make up the odds, but that call could well be the Kc and we're drawing on two outs. That's if no-one's already made the flush. Just fold.
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NightGizmo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thelorax
yeah i have utg at 50/19/27agf over like 20. given these stats (and the fact hes so short) leads me to believe hes pretty fishy..i remember being ok with stacking off vs just him (this could be bad given that hes utg.. but idk if hes even really positionally aware)
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OK, against such fishy opponents I don't mind the 3bet. This is just a really bad flop for your hand, plus a normally passive opponent has decided to lead into a 3-way pot on a very scary board. Fold and be glad that the money is going to a player that will easily lose it right back to you.
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