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Old 01-28-2009, 01:42 PM     Post subject: QQ on low paired board #1 (permalink)  
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Hello everyone, I'm pretty new to poker, and I'm wondering what you all would've done here. (i tried to use the hand converter but it wouldnt let me until i have 10 posts) Villain has been playing pretty loosely.





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UTG ($2.39)
MP1 ($10.22)
MP2 ($2.16)
CO ($5.01)
Button ($5.70)
Hero (SB) ($2.43)
BB ($3.12)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , Qs, Qc
UTG calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.22) 6s,4c,6h (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, UTG calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.58) 3c (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG raises to $2.11 (All-In)

Total pot: $1.78
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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bet the turn and ship it

by the looks of it you're beat, but watch villain turn over the randomest hands sometimes
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yep! Too many things to consider - but I´d fold, respecting UTG´s all-in!!!

Consider that by this moment you could be drawing dead against a made triple, full house, or even a straight - even if UTG is betting for a flush draw, or a straight draw -- something possible, but too risky on him, due to the all-in -- your chances of winning seem very reduced, holding QQ66.

Folding seems to be correct! -- Unless you know UTG well, and really believe he is betting a bluff.
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:53 PM #5 (permalink)  
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bet the turn and ship it

by the looks of it you're beat, but watch villain turn over the randomest hands sometimes
You're right, as it turned out, I ended up calling his all-in and he turned over J6.... damn fish.....

It was tough because 1c 2c players play such a fishy range its always a tough call.
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Old 01-28-2009, 03:32 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You're right, as it turned out, I ended up calling his all-in and he turned over J6.... damn fish.....
Good Gosh! You dared in dangerous cards...
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Old 01-28-2009, 06:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I'd bet the turn and would call the all in. This guy seems like quite a fish limping UTG with trash, with his range being so huge I don't think I could fold QQ in that spot.
 
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:57 PM #8 (permalink)  

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You call higher on preflop!
Call 0,20-0,25$ min. if somebody have great card he will add this higher money and after the flop you call pot! You had great card!
Agressiv play you will win more money! Pot controll.
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You call higher on preflop!
Call 0,20-0,25$ min. if somebody have great card he will add this higher money and after the flop you call pot! You had great card!
Agressiv play you will win more money! Pot controll.
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:07 PM #10 (permalink)  
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You call higher on preflop!
Call 0,20-0,25$ min.
No. .10 is perfect. $.20/.25 thins out your opponents calling range and causes you to play from behind more often when you are on the flop.[/quote]
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if somebody have great card he will add this higher money and after the flop you call pot!
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You had great card!
True
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Agressiv play you will win more money!
Again True But being overly aggressive is as much of a leak as being weak.
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Pot controll.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:31 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Close nuts. Call more after flop, agree with pot controll, but maybe implied odds compared to great cardz!

At higher stakes I would not fold here, but this is a classic fishy nut hand line. Recognize these lines and disappoint fish Meister next time.

These situations are annoying, but think about how great it is that someone calls 5BB with j6 preflop!
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:48 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Oops, sorry if I seemed sarcastic there...

English is not my native language either, but I couldnt help it. I thought maybe you were kidding amagic.

Seems like you have a good understanding of poker concepts and after some participation on the forum you will learn how to use proper poker terminology.

We need to understand each other in order to disseminate poker ideas across the continents. I have seen a lot of misunderstandings here- some because of language barriers, some because of terminological confusion and yet others because of people just skimming through threads. We need a common platform for communication. I believe that is best achieved by assimilation- not integration.

I there a thread for beginners (me included) who wants to learn the "FTR language"?
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:25 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Yep! Too many things to consider - but I´d fold, respecting UTG´s all-in!!!

Consider that by this moment you could be drawing dead against a made triple, full house, or even a straight - even if UTG is betting for a flush draw, or a straight draw -- something possible, but too risky on him, due to the all-in -- your chances of winning seem very reduced, holding QQ66.

Folding seems to be correct! -- Unless you know UTG well, and really believe he is betting a bluff.
Just a small point here, but he was not drawing dead against any made hand but 66...yes he would likely be drawing very slim to 2 outs, but not dead.

I don't actually mind the line OP took on the turn but I think going for the c/r should have been done on a non-scary card as the 3c brought a straight in and also opened up a flush draw. Given that card I think b/f would be a better line to take as villain would likely raise enough (or even just push) to protect a made hand that we could find a fold....strangely though my bet would be the same amount as OP raise so still could have gotten away from it I guess.

The difference between b/f and c/r/f line is that villains range is more defined if you bet and he pushes than if he pushes over a c/r imho and so it's easier to get away from your hand.

I think something like Kd would have been a better card to c/r the turn with and again let's us get away from the hand if he pushes since he either has at least a K or isn't scared of KK.
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:20 AM #14 (permalink)  
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well, if the guy is like a total fish I can see the turn being a bet/fold because fish only raise a six here

the reasoning is that if we fold to a raise we're playing very exploitably; but exploitive of our villain's strategy; playing off the tendency to only bet the nut hands

if I have stats or a read that indicate that the guy is passive I can fold this
if I had made these folds against the very passive players I'd have more moneys right now
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:27 AM #15 (permalink)  
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if I have stats or a read that indicate that the guy is passive I can fold this
if I had made these folds against the very passive players I'd have more moneys right now
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