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Old 01-24-2006, 06:48 PM     Post subject: QQ to a big reraise? #1 (permalink)  
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Full Tilt Poker Game #400552790: Table Cornflower - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:44:10 ET - 2006/01/24
Seat 1: remliks ($10.05)
Seat 2: Figo06 ($10.30)
Seat 3: zelico ($36.30)
Seat 6: JCans23 ($13.80)
Seat 7: daddio78 ($15.15)
Seat 8: Stripclubjunkie ($28.05)
Seat 9: Carrie ME ($9.75)
Stripclubjunkie posts the small blind of $0.10
Carrie ME posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stripclubjunkie [Qc Qd]
remliks folds
Figo06 calls $0.25
zelico calls $0.25
JCans23 calls $0.25
daddio78 raises to $1
Stripclubjunkie raises to $3.25
Carrie ME folds
Figo06 folds
zelico calls $3
JCans23 folds
daddio78 calls $2.25
*** FLOP *** [5s 3s Td]
Stripclubjunkie bets $5.50
zelico has 15 seconds left to act
zelico raises to $33.05, and is all in
daddio78 folds
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd like to hear from others, but I'd fold.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Ohhh tricky and very read dependant. I'd probably let it go. A set probably doesnt play like this, it probably cold cals here and raises on a face card. Had you any reads on him pre-flop with AA, KK ? I personally find the big long wait with '15 seconds left to act' a bit sus; if I think he has any clue I lay it down and let him have his 8 stinking bucks! I also dont mind ppl thinking I will fold to big over bets for when I flop a monster!
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:10 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I really dont have a read...But I know I should just fold, but its a tough one...
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I wouldn't be suprised to see a set of tens here. He thinks you have a high pocket pair, so why not get it all in on the flop?

So the only hand I see you beating here is JJ. Tough fold.

Although he might be a donk with AK...


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Old 01-24-2006, 07:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I Fold, you have the obvious hand yet he still wants all his money in the middle. Your're beat.

These things are supposed to go in Holdem' Hand Histories by the way.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:46 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Sorry... Didn't see the hand history forum...
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Old 01-25-2006, 10:52 AM #8 (permalink)  

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I wouldn't be suprised to see a set of tens here. He thinks you have a high pocket pair, so why not get it all in on the flop? So the only hand I see you beating here is JJ. Tough fold.
the guy called a re-raise to 17xbb in late position. given preflop play, there are 3 options:

#1. he has you solidly dominated w/ aa, puts you on a large pp & wants to milk you on the flop (kk would re-raise here b/c there's two people in the pot)

#2. he has ak & really wants to see a flop

#3. he has a middle-pair in the 77-jj range & is putting both you & the initial raiser on shared high cards (ak/aq) & commits to pushing on both of you if there are no scare cards (a/k/q) on the flop.

post-flop play:

#1. stops making much sense b/c he pushes on you... if he really cold-called preflop b/c he knows he's dominating your pp w/ aces, why wouldn't he cold-call again to extract maximum value out of his domination? he's not really worried about the spades since he's already put you on a pp...

#2. he can't really be pushing on you here unless he has ak of spades, in which case @ worst he's a flip to anything except aa/kk or flopped trips. definitely a possibility i'd consider.

#3. well, thats exactly what he told himself he would do after the flop; so he's doing it... you bet less than 2/3s of the pot, so you're not showing much strength, so why wouldn't he think his pair is ahead vs. your overs?

i'd probably put him on #3 & give the man action unless i had him pegged for a tight/solid player.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:39 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Should I reveal the rest of the hand historie... B/c i actually called it because it didn't make much sense...

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Old 01-25-2006, 01:18 PM #10 (permalink)  
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You're beat often enough to fold this. Both AA/TT could make this flop bet because you represent AA/KK. JJ would play more scared, AsKs is an option too.
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Old 01-25-2006, 02:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Tough call
probably a set, but then ive seen 99/JJ played this way. I dont think its an insta fold but i wouldnt be surprised if you're way ahead here.
I have a sneaky feeling its 99/JJ/AT
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:14 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I muck that. I think he's got KK/AA.

Reads change it.

Someone said he might have AK here, I don't think that's in the realm of possibility for almost any player unless, as mentioned, it's AsKs. If they're an idiot that thinks AK is push-worthy, they're doing it preflop.
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:38 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I muck that. I think he's got KK/AA.

Reads change it.

Someone said he might have AK here, I don't think that's in the realm of possibility for almost any player unless, as mentioned, it's AsKs. If they're an idiot that thinks AK is push-worthy, they're doing it preflop.
opp limps cold calls a reraise then pushes a low flop. Looks like a set to me or someone who seriously overvales a hand like 99/jj.
Pay AA/KK fro the trap but its unlikely imo.
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:49 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Nice with some discussion and debate, really appreciated...
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:52 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 so did u call?
i think i might... stress might!
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:52 PM #16 (permalink)  
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OP limps from MP, and coldcalls two raises prf, which is very often a PP (ppl like to limp and call raises with PPs - many ppl like to limp other crap hands also, but they mostly dump them to big prf raises). Theres a chance you are up against JJ, KT, AT or alike, but I think you are up against a set so often here that you have to fold.

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Old 01-25-2006, 06:01 PM #17 (permalink)  
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ya post what happend.... i am guessing you lost?
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:01 PM #18 (permalink)  
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I called and he showed KK, and he hit a K on the river...With no read, fold QQ but what about KK, I would never be able to fold that...Would you do it?
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:57 PM #19 (permalink)  
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lol, thats a f up way to play KK!

I fold KK and probably AA too here. I mean, what you are afraid of here is not an overpair bigger than yours (in regard to QQ in your hand), but a floppet set.
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Old 01-25-2006, 09:10 PM #20 (permalink)  
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I dont know why he reraised allin...I really cant see it...
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I dont know why he reraised allin...I really cant see it...
i would've likely called & paid the man off. i really can't have him on kings here, possibly aces... generally speaking, letting go qq/kk as op is something i haven't learned to do consistently. then again, it all depends on the player & what i've learned about his play...
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