Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Beginners Circle

  > 

QQ 150BB deep Tough river spot 5NL

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
!Luck
Old 08-10-2010, 07:31 AM     Post subject: QQ 150BB deep Tough river spot 5NL #1 (permalink)  
!Luck's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Under a bridge
Posts: 1,367
!Luck is on a distinguished road
 So villain is 9/4 over tiny sample size of 23 hands. I suspect that on the flop he might call me with 77-JJ and sets. I think my turn bet is fine. Maybe I go a little bigger like 1.1. But due to us being deep i can't get stacks in without an over bet. I really thought i was going to get raised on the turn since I expect him to do this with his sets.

River completes a flush. But I am not too worried about it. But at the same time if I lead 1.5 is he really calling me with TT and if he raises all in I have to fold this. So my choice for river is b/c shove (but I doubt he is bluffing) Or I can shove and pray that he had a set or maybe QJ (1 combo). I just can't be confident about his range since the sample size is so small. But I feel he is nitty.

Also he waited a while to call me on the turn, don't know if that changes anything.

I hate situations like this cause I know I have to bet, I just struggle to figure out how much.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($12.50)
BB ($12.50)
UTG ($6.16)
Hero (MP) ($8.03)
CO ($7.50)
Button ($21.21)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 6, J, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.17) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

River: ($3.17) 8 (2 players)
Hero ...
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Hoopy
Old 08-10-2010, 10:20 AM #2 (permalink)  
Hoopy's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Riverballs
Posts: 777
Hoopy is an unknown quantity at this point
 I'd bet/call $2.50 vs his continuing range {JJ, TT, 66, 33, QJs+, QJo+}, why are we folding to a shove if he has at best 3 combo's of flush's.
 
Reply With Quote
rpm
Old 08-10-2010, 12:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
rpm's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: learnin'
Posts: 2,039
rpm has a spectacular aura aboutrpm has a spectacular aura aboutrpm has a spectacular aura about
 agree with the hoop. flushes are so few in this guys range, like perhaps AhJh, Ah3h, AhQh and AhKh. i think he certainly has JQ in his range as well as AdQd, AsQs (and if he doesn't have these hands, he doesn't have AhQh. aka one less flush), and sometimes some sets that he didn't know how to get value from because he's at 5nl. i'm bet/calling here.
Reply With Quote
surviva316
Old 08-10-2010, 02:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
surviva316's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Confusing people with my liberal biblicisms
Posts: 1,625
surviva316 will become famous soon enough
 i don't understand the ranges in the OP. why do they keep getting wider with every street?

also, if your range for calling the flop is {66-JJ, 33} and you expect him to always raise with sets, why are you betting 1.00 on the turn?

really think about that second question...
Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
I just wanted to share singing vaginas.
 
Reply With Quote
!Luck
Old 08-10-2010, 02:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
!Luck's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Under a bridge
Posts: 1,367
!Luck is on a distinguished road
 Surviva,

It as more that I couldn't construct a correct range based on his stats combined with action. His range in the end might be QJs, AQ (maybe) and sets. Or it might be way wider because it is a tiny sample size. That is why my post is barely coherent and I agree i can't ever fold the river giving the information.

!luck
Reply With Quote
surviva316
Old 08-10-2010, 02:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
surviva316's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Confusing people with my liberal biblicisms
Posts: 1,625
surviva316 will become famous soon enough
 well regardless, i like a smaller turn bet size. you should at least try to guess at why
Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
I just wanted to share singing vaginas.
 
Reply With Quote
!Luck
Old 08-10-2010, 03:53 PM #7 (permalink)  
!Luck's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Under a bridge
Posts: 1,367
!Luck is on a distinguished road
 I really don't like a smaller bet size on the turn. I should go bigger. I understand the concept of getting value out of TT or JT (if they are in his range). But in the end, I have hand I want a huge pot with. Some players might be too passive to re raise their two pairs or even their sets. Everything I always read talks about value betting like crazy at the micros. So if i was wrong, i should go bigger not smaller.

Again, I believe that unless I go sub 1/2 pot, I won't get lighter call downs than 80% pot bets. I can also appreciate that at higher levels people aggression goes up and I might get someone to spaz by betting small, i don't think this is the case here.
Reply With Quote
tomato paste carnage
Old 08-11-2010, 05:02 AM #8 (permalink)  
tomato paste carnage's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: in a van down by the river
Posts: 115
tomato paste carnage
The rivered heart is nearly irrelevant when you consider his calling range on the flop and turn. You're looking at AJ/KJ/JTh as hands that have you beat, as the hand was played. This has pretty much been said in the other posts, but I wanted to throw in my 1bb@2NL (u c wut i did thar?).
Tilt is poker cancer. You catch it, you die.
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:26 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.