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xX zorrito Xx

10-20-2005, 06:40 AM Post subject: push all in or play is ok...

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FullTiltPoker Game #257223766: Table Bruce (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:07:20 ET - 2005/10/19
Seat 1: MAD Nice ($25.80)
Seat 2: Cola78 ($68.05)
Seat 3: mthompson80 ($184.45)
Seat 4: Martin_SXU ($50)
Seat 5: GMC93 ($88.55)
Seat 6: xX zorrito Xx ($61.45)
MAD Nice posts the small blind of $0.50
Cola78 posts the big blind of $1
Martin_SXU posts $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xX zorrito Xx [5h 5s]
mthompson80 calls $1
Martin_SXU checks
GMC93 folds
xX zorrito Xx calls $1
MAD Nice calls $0.50
Cola78 checks
*** FLOP *** [7c 7s 9h]
MAD Nice checks
Cola78 bets $1
mthompson80 folds
Martin_SXU calls $1
xX zorrito Xx calls $1
MAD Nice folds
*** TURN *** [7c 7s 9h] [5d]
Cola78 bets $8
Martin_SXU has 15 seconds left to act
Martin_SXU folds
xX zorrito Xx calls $8
*** RIVER *** [7c 7s 9h 5d] [Jh]
Cola78 has 15 seconds left to act
Cola78 bets $11
xX zorrito Xx raises to $25
Cola78 has 15 seconds left to act
Cola78 calls $14
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xX zorrito Xx shows [5h 5s] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
Cola78 mucks
xX zorrito Xx wins the pot ($71) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $74 | Rake $3
Board: [7c 7s 9h 5d Jh]
Seat 1: MAD Nice (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Cola78 (big blind) mucked [7h Ts] - three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: mthompson80 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Martin_SXU folded on the Turn
Seat 5: GMC93 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: xX zorrito Xx (button) showed [5h 5s] and won ($71) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens

i don't know if i should've raised on the turn because i automatically put him on the seven and i knew he would've make another huge bet on the river...

should've i have pushed all in on the river?.. or how would i have played this any differently...

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edudlive

10-20-2005, 06:56 AM

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Why are you calling the flop bet? You should either be raising if you think you can push him out or folding.

Other than that, its fine...betting for value will be more +EV in the long run that shoving your chips in the middle every time. You could have reraised him the size of the pot though, so maybe made it $30-35 to go.

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10-25-2005, 03:05 PM

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I have to disagree with you edudlive. I think the flop call was excellent here. Your goal on the flop is NOT to protect a pair of fives which you believe to be ahead. I think you have to abandon that. If your opponent has a 7 or is drawing, then you'll be in trouble on 4th street if anything but a 5 drops. Your goal on this relatively draw free PAIRED flop with position is to mimick a slow play of trips until you confirm your opponents holdings. Your 55 is junk on this flop. It no longer becomes about your hand. It becomes about position and proper representation.

By flat calling the flop with position, you reserve the right to rep the 7 later if you feel he doesn't have it. Trips are played a variety of different ways by different people. Mostly they're slowplayed till at least the turn. If he doesn't have that 7, then he WILL allow you to represent it later and he WILL fold. If he does have the 7, then raising the flop is pointless since he'll just reraise you.

This is one of those times where raising early is incorrect. You want to stay cautious early while maintaining the look of a slowplay in case he submits himself to your representation. People give up too often on paired flops. If you have position on someone who flopped a vulnerable TP, then it's very easy to rake a modest pot with a power representation at the right time. This is a classic move in the bag of tricks. Add it to yours.

Now the turn magically improves our hero to a full house. Our hero has to be sure not to piss himself while laughing maniacally, and concentrate on the way the hand was already playing out. He still wants to know if the villain has a 7. He WAS going to fold if he confirmed the villain had it. The villain bets $8 into a $7 pot. Beautiful. It couldn't have worked out better. The plan WAS to fold if the 7 was present, but now our hero has the best hand AND knows exactly what the villain holds. YES! He holds a very strong second best hand! This is ALWAYS the time for our hero to push all-in and watch an instant call from a losing hand. This is no time for value betting.

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