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BowlinPinTim
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07-11-2006, 04:53 AM
Post subject: "Pump it or Dump it" Question
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I have read that when being the first to voluntarily put money into a pot preflop, you should "Pump it or Dump it" meaning you should raise or fold and not call. My question is what about small pp's such as 22-77 and
Ace-little suited, hands where you want to see a cheap flop and not commit too much money incase the flop misses you (most of the time). Does this strategy still apply with these kinds of hands? BTW, I am refering to full ring games with 9 or 10 players.
Help is appreciated
-Tim
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Hartlin
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No, full ring, I limp PPs, 22-88 and raise 99+
In tournies, I limp 22-JJ (in early blind levels), limp 22-77 (in mid blind levels) and raise all PPs (in late blind levels)
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takesix
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07-11-2006, 05:40 AM
Post subject: Re: "Pump it or Dump it" Question
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Originally Posted by BowlinPinTim
I have read that when being the first to voluntarily put money into a pot preflop, you should "Pump it or Dump it" meaning you should raise or fold and not call. My question is what about small pp's such as 22-77 and
Ace-little suited, hands where you want to see a cheap flop and not commit too much money incase the flop misses you (most of the time). Does this strategy still apply with these kinds of hands? BTW, I am refering to full ring games with 9 or 10 players.
Help is appreciated
-Tim
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It depends on your style. My style, which was really successful, was to limp things like Ax suited, call a raise if it was small (3x or 4x BB higher) and see if I could hit some cheap suited cards and follow it from there. A lot of times it missed, but on occasion it didn't, and a few times I flopped a nut flush and stacked people who flopped sets. So it can work, it depends on how married you get to those draws and if you can dump them if they're unprofitable.
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cardsman1992
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At low levels, I limp all pairs up to 88. 99+ are raised. I limp Arag sooted but only if there are a couple limpers in front of me (Need to be some people in the pot to pay off the flush). I have stopped limping this in EP for that very reason. I dump them to a raise unless I have to call a relatively small bet in proportion to the pot. You get your flush about 1 in 3.5 times, so you don't want to be putting calling a $1 raise into a 1.50 pot to chase a flush IMO unless you are positive everyone will come in behind you and the pot will not be reraised...and for heaven's sake, if you flop 2 of your suit, bet your draw to build the pot!!!
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BowlinPinTim
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Originally Posted by cardsman1992
At low levels, I limp all pairs up to 88. 99+ are raised. I limp Arag sooted but only if there are a couple limpers in front of me (Need to be some people in the pot to pay off the flush). I have stopped limping this in EP for that very reason. I dump them to a raise unless I have to call a relatively small bet in proportion to the pot. You get your flush about 1 in 3.5 times, so you don't want to be putting calling a $1 raise into a 1.50 pot to chase a flush IMO unless you are positive everyone will come in behind you and the pot will not be reraised...and for heaven's sake, if you flop 2 of your suit, bet your draw to build the pot!!!
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This is basicly how i have been playing except i dont call as many raises with the small pp's unless there are enough other ppl in the pot to pay me off if i hit my set. I was limping Alittle suited from all positions but i'll stop limpin them from early position with it bc of what you said.
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cardsman1992
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There is a pretty goo d rule of thumb to use with small PPs. The guy doing the raising needs to have at least 10 times the raise amount left in their stack to make it worth your while to set farm. This might change slightly if there is a lot of dead money already in the pot, but that doesn't happen much. The theory is that you hit your set one time out of 8, so you need to be able to get 10 x the raise amount long term to make up for the times you miss and be profitable.
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jackvance
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I know you should never open limp.. but when you find yourself at a loose passive table, that doesn't really apply. If you limp, chances are good that you'll see a flop, because most of them raise only AA/KK, maybe QQ/AK. And if you have say 78s, it's stupid to raise it.. you'll just end up being called and not having an edge.
So on tables like that, open limping is fine imho.
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