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Originally Posted by Sasquach991
My dad once told me "The more you practice, the luckier you get". He wasn't talking about poker but it really fits here.
But how do I practice poker without playing?
Before a session I look at the session(s) from yesterday in HEM and hide known cards and replay every hand in which I win $$ or lose $$. There are some that I remember but for the most part I don't. I don't know if I won or lost so I try to put villian on a range. It's good practice. And you know what my dad says about practice...
He also says "I CAN because I WILL". This one helped throughout college.
I'm also curious to what Iowaskinsfan shoots now...
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The LUCKIER you get? I thought a good player considered luck to be the enemy. Getting better translates to better results, but it's certainly not a function of luck... I say NO COMPARISON. Poker is not like other games where skill results in profits day in and day out. A long-run conscious player makes the plays that favor him in the long-run, not plays where luck is the determining factor of his success.
In fact, I would go as far as to say, The better you get, the more lucky you're OPPONENTS become, because the better you get, the more often you're on the butt end of a bad beat.
Maybe I'm taking the quote the wrong way... i dunno, oh well. |
You completely missed the point. It's a tounge-in-cheek way of saying that it's about hard work, and luck has nothing to do with is. Too many people attiribute success to luck, therefore saying "The harder I worked, the luckier I got" is the same as saying "The harder I worked, the more successful I got." Sortof like the old saying that luck is when preperation meets opportunity.
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Sasquach991
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
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Originally Posted by saranacJACK
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Originally Posted by Sasquach991
My dad once told me "The more you practice, the luckier you get". He wasn't talking about poker but it really fits here.
But how do I practice poker without playing?
Before a session I look at the session(s) from yesterday in HEM and hide known cards and replay every hand in which I win $$ or lose $$. There are some that I remember but for the most part I don't. I don't know if I won or lost so I try to put villian on a range. It's good practice. And you know what my dad says about practice...
He also says "I CAN because I WILL". This one helped throughout college.
I'm also curious to what Iowaskinsfan shoots now...
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The LUCKIER you get? I thought a good player considered luck to be the enemy. Getting better translates to better results, but it's certainly not a function of luck... I say NO COMPARISON. Poker is not like other games where skill results in profits day in and day out. A long-run conscious player makes the plays that favor him in the long-run, not plays where luck is the determining factor of his success.
In fact, I would go as far as to say, The better you get, the more lucky you're OPPONENTS become, because the better you get, the more often you're on the butt end of a bad beat.
Maybe I'm taking the quote the wrong way... i dunno, oh well. |
You completely missed the point. It's a tounge-in-cheek way of saying that it's about hard work, and luck has nothing to do with is. Too many people attiribute success to luck, therefore saying "The harder I worked, the luckier I got" is the same as saying "The harder I worked, the more successful I got." Sortof like the old saying that luck is when preperation meets opportunity. |
Thanks kb
It ain't luck at all if you work for it.
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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Robb, you are the man imo. If you keep finding gems like this and keep bumping them... good lord man, I'll be improving like mad. Like this post is friggin' gold just waiting to happen for me. In my blog all I do is bitch about how unlucky I get, even though in the back of my head I can plainly see that I was spewing with KK on an Ace high flop, or I had flopped a low flush and a fourth flush card came and when the villain shoves I called.
I like to think I'm good, but I'm only good enough to (sometimes) beat the fish at the stakes I'm playing. If I moved up to 25nl TODAY I would probly get bitch slapped back down. I'm glad you posted this. Makes me feel motivated to work on my game instead of chalking up my own stupidity to variance.
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Robb
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I think he's talking about the "shooter's roll." Great shooters seem to get more 3 pointers than hit, bounce, and roll twice around the rim before falling in. Why? They're so good that when they miss, it's not by much, so the rims are "kinder" to them. So their skill makes them more "lucky." It's not really luck, but it seems that way sometimes.
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Sasquach991
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Originally Posted by Robb
I think he's talking about the "shooter's roll." Great shooters seem to get more 3 pointers than hit, bounce, and roll twice around the rim before falling in. Why? They're so good that when they miss, it's not by much, so the rims are "kinder" to them. So their skill makes them more "lucky." It's not really luck, but it seems that way sometimes.
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Actually he was talking about taking math tests when I was in junior high school (a loooong time ago).
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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Originally Posted by Robb
I think he's talking about the "shooter's roll." Great shooters seem to get more 3 pointers than hit, bounce, and roll twice around the rim before falling in. Why? They're so good that when they miss, it's not by much, so the rims are "kinder" to them. So their skill makes them more "lucky." It's not really luck, but it seems that way sometimes.
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I can definitely relate to this one.. years ago I used to decide whether to swish in the left side, right side, front, or back of the basket while practicing.. it also has a lot to do with technique.. good arc and rotation actually does hit the rim softer than those line drive bricks your average player throws up there. But how do people learn which shots are the "luckiest?" By perfecting technique over the hundreds of thousands of previous shots thrown with scrutiny.
Applying this to poker.. how do we know which plays are the best EV and cause the most "luck?" By playing hundreds of thousands of hands and going over them afterwards!
I guess we are comparing apples to oranges.. but all games/sports do have skill and luck.. skill we can affect... luck only sweetens skill and makes us run good.
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atom2k8
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 great post
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rathorymonster
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i completely suck at poker..................TESTIFY!!But luckily im not gambling with my own money just yet.otherwise i would seriously be in the red!thank god for freerolls!!
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by Sasquach991
My dad once told me "The more you practice, the luckier you get". He wasn't talking about poker but it really fits here.
But how do I practice poker without playing?
Before a session I look at the session(s) from yesterday in HEM and hide known cards and replay every hand in which I win $$ or lose $$. There are some that I remember but for the most part I don't. I don't know if I won or lost so I try to put villian on a range. It's good practice. And you know what my dad says about practice...
He also says "I CAN because I WILL". This one helped throughout college.
I'm also curious to what Iowaskinsfan shoots now...
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The LUCKIER you get? I thought a good player considered luck to be the enemy. Getting better translates to better results, but it's certainly not a function of luck... I say NO COMPARISON. Poker is not like other games where skill results in profits day in and day out. A long-run conscious player makes the plays that favor him in the long-run, not plays where luck is the determining factor of his success.
In fact, I would go as far as to say, The better you get, the more lucky you're OPPONENTS become, because the better you get, the more often you're on the butt end of a bad beat.
Maybe I'm taking the quote the wrong way... i dunno, oh well. |
Yep, you are.
It means the more you practice, the less you lose (because you're simply better, obv), so the less "bad luck" you seem to have. Nothing to do with actual luck - more with blaming luck for what is more likely a deficiency in skill.
Fits perfectly here.
EDIT: sorry, didn't see the posts after this one! LOL
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Ought to be in the digest, imo.
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About the more practice you get, the luckier you get:
You missed the point, Jack. Luck isn't the enemy anyway, it's just part of the landscape. The origin of the saying is probably from pool. When you play around bars (for drinks, etc.) and win, a lot of people who don't understand the strategy of pool think you got lucky. There's even a line in The Hustler that goes, "You shoot good, but you shoot lucky, too!" People's perception of you is that you're lucky. I get it all the time in the donkalicious bar tourneys I play at.
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Check out my self-deprecation here!
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tncatfish43
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very interesting,leaves you a lot to ponder,and a differenent view of situations
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Reidak
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im pretty terrible at nlhe cash. Trying to get better. I make massive spews and such.
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jimmyallin
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great post/thread.
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I want to thank you for this post, this describes my thoughts exactly. I thought I was good. I was blaming my losses on bad beats, but maybe it's because i blow at playing poker. I have now taken a new approach to each of my games. thank you so much again for this post.
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