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spoonitnow
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03-17-2010, 03:53 AM
Post subject: PSA Regarding PokerTableRatings and PokerStars
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Straight Flush
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So here's a thought that could become important, it's against PokerStars' rules to view PTR at any time ever.
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The following are examples of tools and services which are prohibited at all times:
52. Table Ratings aka Poker Table Ratings
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From Online Poker Software - Prohibited Programs, Tools and Services
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Micro2Macro
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Moderator
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seems ridiculous. can't we just look at it on another computer aside from the one we use Pstars software?
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tomato paste carnage
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Straight
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I'm sure this is vigorously enforced 
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Tilt is poker cancer. You catch it, you die.
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage
I'm sure this is vigorously enforced |
if you have even just a few $k on a site, it's not worth it to even remotely mess with T&C
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
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I remember that :P
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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celtic123
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Full House
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PokerStars - Third Party Tools & Services - PokerStars Poker Room
Q Are you going to confiscate the account funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service?
A While we reserve the right to confiscate the funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service , we are not going to do this lightly. We want to educate our players - not punish them. However, we will confiscate funds if a player shows a consistent pattern of using prohibited tools and services after being warned, or if a player attempts to bypass our detection measures.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
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which was?
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Bump.
Just a reminder that using PTR at any time is cheating on PokerStars.
You've just got to decide if you're going to cheat or not, no matter what your excuse is.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by EasyPoker
which was?
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Real Poker Rankings
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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donkfish
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3-of-a-Kind
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I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought... 
So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR?
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JKDS
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Full House
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Huh, i thought it was only prohibited while playing. I misread the tos
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But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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kfaess
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Flush
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Originally Posted by donkfish
I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought...
So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR? |
I had never used it until a couple weeks ago.
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Bah they must have just changed it.. I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating. Makes sense though if people are dling hand histories.
- Q. Some prohibited programs listed above are internet web sites, especially those revolving around datamining. What steps do you take to stop their use?
- PokerStars believes that it is best to take action against these services at the root. Consequently, we are continually improving our software to stop the datamining of our games. In addition, PokerStars reserves the right to take legal action as it deems fit against those services that maliciously and repeatedly breach our Terms of Service.
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donkfish
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3-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating.
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+1
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
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I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Originally Posted by jyms
I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site
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Which euro site? I didn't see any that allowed US players
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
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Why would you assume I'm US?
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kfaess
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Flush
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pretty sure hes in canada, LOL
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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I feel like this is a good motivator to use my free 10 searches a day
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daven
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Straight Flush
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i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos
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philly and the phanatics
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Full House
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Originally Posted by daven
i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos |
good point
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Originally Posted by jyms
Why would you assume I'm US?
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I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming
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CBAT
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming
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AssUMe it makes an Ass out of U and Me.
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Originally Posted by CBAT
AssUMe it makes an Ass out of U and Me.
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Yeah one of my teachers in 7th grade showed us that 
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kiwiMark
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PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD
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parislad
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3-of-a-Kind
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Herald my signature below.
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Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
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badgers
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by daven
i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos |
lol, never thought of this
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD
trollcaps
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I is edumakated
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daven
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Straight Flush
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from the horse's mouth
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Originally Posted by PSMichaelJ PokerStars Game Security Specialist
but PokerStars is not interested in pursuing the end users of services like PTR and similar: instead, our focus is on cutting off their collection of data in the first place. The integrity of the games is better protected by players feeling secure enough to report such issues to PokerStars, rather than pedantically hunting down users who visit a particular website. |
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Outlaw
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Full House
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I don't see how the sites can stop them from collecting data. The only thing they can do is not let observers watch the table action? That's not going to happen.
So what are the solutions?
1. Ask PTR nicely not to sell hand histories?
2. Hire the A-team to go shut them down?
3. Scan players HM or PT databases and warn then ban anyone who has a significant number of hand histories in which they did not participate?
4. Ban the use of a HUD.
5. Realize that a ton of HHs don't really help or hurt good players and just allow PTR to exist?
It seems like 5 is the only thing that makes sense?
We live in the information age, and people will just have to adjust to the nature of poker as it exists today. The only people that PTR hurts are the coaches who don't get students due to their crappy graph and fish who are getting bumhunted endlessly. And who cares about them anyways? Its not like we need PTR to spot the fish at the table.
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