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SinkRox
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03-14-2005, 04:22 PM
Post subject: Protecting your hand against suckouts?
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Brighton, UK
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Im currently well into the 5 man NL tournys..
My game style is very tight / aggressive
lately Ive been trying to protect my hands more, for example I'll raise pre flop so Im HU with a high PP and when i flop an overpair ill overbet the pot (when the blinds are at level 3 or 4 this pretty much means going allin).
What do you think of this play? I made this move 3 times in my last tourn, the first two times no-one called at the flop, I woundered if I was getting predictable...
then I have JJ and make it 400 to go.. flop is rags, 2suited... i over bet by 200odd (and was allin) he called with KQo - only overcards (which he hit on 4th and 5th) ...maybe he thought I was bluffing this third time so made the stupid call.
Any input? 
(PS note he kinda did not have to make the call he had about 700 pre flop, 300 left at the flop?) sorry about my dodgy hand explanation I play pacific - which doesnt output hands as text
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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You gotta mix it up.
But overbetting an over pair is usually a good line.
It all depends on the opposition.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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SinkRox
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Brighton, UK
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Yeh mixing things up is something i really need to work on in my game.
My next tourn made up for that suckout, the poker gods evened things out for me - I dished a bad beat with my AQo vs a limping AA and went on to win it.
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thestrokes
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Originally Posted by JonDoe
Yeh mixing things up is something i really need to work on in my game.
My next tourn made up for that suckout, the poker gods evened things out for me - I dished a bad beat with my AQo vs a limping AA and went on to win it.
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if he was limping then it wasnt a bad beat, it was a stupid play by him
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"Confidence not overconfidence"
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SinkRox
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Full House
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thats allright then.. god i shouldn't of spoke so soon about them poker gods.. my 89s allin at a rainbow 887 flop just got cracked by a call with 9To 
... i love poker so much but scenarios like this make me boil.. not tilt but just BOIL
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
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I don't get all in happy unless I'm facing the bubble or I have an absolute monster. It's bad practice, because most of the time, the purpose of going all in is to scare everyone off the money already in the pot. When you keep doing it your table image goes in the dumper and someone calls while drawing because they got sick of your all in crap. It's not whether this tactic will burn you or not, it's when.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Fortune 500
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Full House
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You can't "prevent" lucky suckouts. All you can do is wreck their odds to that they're technically making a mistake to try and suckout. Beyond that, we're at the mercy of the deck.
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SmackinYaUp
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03-14-2005, 10:49 PM
Post subject: Re: Protecting your hand against suckouts?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by JonDoe
What do you think of this play? I made this move 3 times in my last tourn, the first two times no-one called at the flop, I woundered if I was getting predictable...
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No, if your high overpair is getting called by un-made hands, then you are not being predictable. Id say you are being just the opposite. They think that you are just trying to buy another pot so they call with an unmade hand. When you cause your opponent to play incorrectly, you profit! Play by theory, not results. Imagine how much money you could make if you could get unmade hands to call your pairs every single time. I say good job getting a fish to call you.
Yea, some of that may have been ripped from sklanksy, but its good shit.
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Bmxicle
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver
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As long as you cut off the pot odds and don't pay them off when they hit their draw you are doing the right thing.
So many people are afraid of drawers, i love when people are chasing though, it is so easy to read, and you just keep betting making it incorrect for them to play, winning more than you lose, and making easy folds when they hit their draw.
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jmontis
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Full House
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what i've learned is don't try and "punish" them if there's a flush draw or a strong straight draw, if it's gonna happen, it will. Though, if you have QQ and flop is somethign like 952 rainbow, go for it.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Bmxicle
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Full House
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So long as they don't have a straightflush draw or something you do want to "punish" the draw as you are betting for value. If you sit back passively you are giving them odds, whereas if you over bet the pot they are making a huge mistake calling you. Yes you will be beat but you will still make money over time as they are going to hit the flush less than half the time.
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