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nossodo
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04-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Post subject: preflop pot-odds
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Say that I have a small pocket pair like 66, how much should I pay to see the flop? The chance of 66 holding up is slim so I need my set which would be 13% chance of getting.
Does that mean it's correct to call a bet that is less than 13% of the pot or should I also concider that when I do hit I can make some good money or is there other options? Raising?
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Laeelin
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,137
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in NL implied odds are far more important than pot odds.
if you hit your set, your probally going to make a lot more money than what is currently in the pot.
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Staresy
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Following the Herd to 6-Max Land
Posts: 1,240
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yeah, I think the theory is something like u should call if the raise is 10% of the raisers stack or your stack (whichever is smallest) as the odds of you hitting your set is 1 in 8 and therefore, u are getting paid off properly when u do. There is another post on this (about small pp's and when to call raises). I will see if I can find it and post it later.
Of course, the flop can dictate other options for u, i.e. u hold 66 and the flop comes 3 4 5 or 4 5 7 etc which might have u still in the lead anyway (against Ace-Face), but with extra options to win.
Generally though, u are looking for a smallish raise, multi-way action and preferably late position.
What do the more accomplished out there think?
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djbrown
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 6
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That's basically how I play it. It's worth it to call just about any raise in NL (say, within 5xBB or so) with a pocket pair, but you've got to know when to give the hand up post-flop if you didn't hit the set.
If you can manage to see the flop cheap with 3-4 other folks and manage to hit the set, you're gonna get paid off big time.
It's a poor hand to call an all-in with though, for obvious reasons (unless the guy is short-stacked in a big way). Anything less than 7-7 (and, more likely, 10s or lower) or so is at best a coin flip against an all-in, and quite possibly drawing to just 2 outs. I've seen too many folks overvalue their small pocket pairs, calling an all-in, and then looking stunned when their 4-4 is dominated by 8-8 or something.
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