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Old 12-21-2008, 01:28 PM     Post subject: preflop all in #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1

villain runs 12/8 over a sample of 70 hands, no reads so far

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SB ($25)
Hero (BB) ($24.65)
UTG ($26.10)
UTG+1 ($29.65)
MP1 ($6.25)
MP2 ($27.10)
CO ($4.50)
Button ($4.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $10.50, Hero raises to $24.65 (All-In), SB calls $14.15

Flop: ($49.55) 5, Q, 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($49.55) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($49.55) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $49.55 | Rake: $2.45


hand 2

villain runs 19/10 over a sample of 230 hands, no reads so far.


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SB ($4.90)
BB ($9.85)
Hero (UTG) ($10.90)
UTG+1 ($13.50)
MP1 ($10.90)
MP2 ($5.60)
CO ($2.20)
Button ($3.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises to $0.50, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 6 folds, Hero raises to $10.90 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $9.40

Flop: ($21.95) 3, 7, 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($21.95) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.95) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.95 | Rake: $1.05

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Old 12-21-2008, 02:20 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Do you have any 3bet stats on villiains? They're the ones that will help us out here.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I´ll check this up...sure, you are right, though the sample sizes dont promise valid statements:

hand #1: 3bet is 0%, fold to 3bet is 75% (70 hands)

hand #2: 3bet is 6.1%, fold to 3bet is 40% (230 hands)

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Old 12-21-2008, 03:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Never fold KK... ever... at least until you get much better as a poker player and start playing higher stakes

Hand 2: Your raise should be 3-4x bb, 5x is too big, other than that
4bet to 3.75 (2.5x3bet). You should have reads whether you are good or bad here, but there's nothing wrong with going all-in preflop with QQ.
any past history in hand 2?
 
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I'm guessing someone posted that's why you 5x'ed it in hand 2, otherwise 5bbs isn't the worst raise size ever, esp. if you're really tight UTG.

He seems to 3bet a decent amount for FR and fold to a lot of 4bets, against this type of player I'd rather flat and c/bomb a non A/K flop.
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:45 AM #6 (permalink)  

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Hand 1 I would push it to this guy do you have a range on him he could be calling your shove with AQ+ or AQs+ or he could have a PP he didn't want to lay down some people never learn to fold mid and low PP and they go broke becuase of it But I wouldn't be folding KK preflop to often unless I see the guy only re rasie with AA .

Hand two

I would rerasie him preflop then if he fires back without a shove I would call and if the flop doesn't spike an A or K I would send it in and hope he doesn't have a set or AA or KK other then that you did ok.
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Go all-in.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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hand 1 get it in

hand 2 i think i'd flat and see a flop to make sure no A/K comes out. he re-raises after you raise from UTG, so he's probably not just making a play here
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:15 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Villan is tight, playing 12% of hands which is about 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+, which is tight but not nearly as tight as 4% JJ+ AQ+. Your shove is assuring he will get to see all 5 cards giving him full odds for AK or AQ. If he has AA then your going to be going to have to suck out on him. preflop im inlcined to flat call reraises with PP.

Think about it from his point of view, you flat call his 10 dollar raise. if he has AA he is going all in no matter what the flop is, and by some miracle if and ace flops, you can possible fold if he shoves daving 15 bucks.

if he has AK and no ace or king, and you make him shoving after he missed the flop, we all know how sick to our stomach it feels to shove after we missed the flop.

if he has QQ and an ace or king flops, we all know how sick to our stomach it feels to shove when an ace or king flops.

if he has AA and a straight or flush draw flops we all know how sick.......

if you flat call you force him to make 2 bad decisions
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