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Lodogg
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05-02-2006, 04:02 AM
Post subject: Pre Flop Raising and loose tables
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Straight
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I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. It seems to me (and I am probably completely wrong) that lots of pre flop raising in a loose table would be a leak, and +EV in a tight table? Isn't a big reason to raise on the button or CO with marginal hands to steal the blinds? What about if you are constantly getting 2+ callers? Please discuss.
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Fnord
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I raise to build pots. Unless people are fucktards, it's hard to play a big pot against 1 pair in an unraised pot.
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Irisheyes
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At really loose tables, learn the difference between a pot building raise and an isolation raise.
At tight tables where c-bets work, the best way to play AK is to isolate and c-bet against 1 opponent. If c-bets always get called then this method is a major leak. So raise smaller and build a pot with a few opponents. If you hit then bet again, if you miss just check fold.
Raise bigger with hands like AA so you can isolate one opponent. Your hand is already made.
Don't worry about deception, really loose tables won't notice.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
At really loose tables, learn the difference between a pot building raise and an isolation raise.
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So what hands are you building the pot with and what hands are you isolating with?
I would think hands that are well disguised and have a lot of potential (such as suited connectors) you would want to build the pot with and hands such as high pocket pairs and broadways you would want to isolate. Correct?
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
At really loose tables, learn the difference between a pot building raise and an isolation raise.
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So what hands are you building the pot with
Unmade hands like AK, AQ (inall positions), KQ/AJ (in LP)
and what hands are you isolating with?
Big pairs JJ and up.
I would think hands that are well disguised and have a lot of potential (such as suited connectors) you would want to build the pot with and hands such as high pocket pairs and broadways you would want to isolate. Correct? |
Never raise implied odds hands like suited connecters at loose tables. Stuff like semi-bluffs and other sneaky post-flop tactics don't work well enough against idiots to make it profitable. Only raise hands with immediate High Card/Pair equity.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
At really loose tables, learn the difference between a pot building raise and an isolation raise.
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So what hands are you building the pot with
Unmade hands like AK, AQ (inall positions), KQ/AJ (in LP)
and what hands are you isolating with?
Big pairs JJ and up.
I would think hands that are well disguised and have a lot of potential (such as suited connectors) you would want to build the pot with and hands such as high pocket pairs and broadways you would want to isolate. Correct? |
Never raise implied odds hands like suited connecters at loose tables. Stuff like semi-bluffs and other sneaky post-flop tactics don't work well enough against idiots to make it profitable. Only raise hands with immediate High Card/Pair equity. |
That makes sense - Thanks.
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