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spino1i
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06-21-2005, 06:35 PM
Post subject: pre-flop question
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Suppose you are dealt TT on the button, and 6(!) people limp in before you. Now this on a 200 NL table that is normally tight as a rock and with only a few limpers if any and generally a pre-flop raise. Do you raise or just call for fear of someone holding KK or AA and reraising back?
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EricE
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I would raise it and expect to be check-raised.
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spino1i
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See I did raise, and guess what happened? Someone reraised back pre-flop and I lost my raise money lol
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Originally Posted by spino1i
See I did raise, and guess what happened? Someone reraised back pre-flop and I lost my raise money lol
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That's what you want. You saved some of your money by getting the info preflop. That's why I would raise it.
How much did you raise? I would probably go 3xBB or so. Then someone goes over the top, I'd check the odds I was getting and decide if I want to see the flop.
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EricE
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Don't listen to me. I don't have the exp to post an opinion on 200NL. Still, I would expect a reraise there.
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Element187
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i dont play NL200
but i would raise about 8x the BB to try to get everyone to fold back.. depending how much its reraised back at me, i might consider calling it to outflop them and destack them.
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spino1i
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well the problem with them reraising is that you throw away a bunch of money as well as a good hand with position. If you limp in, you can play for a set, and destack some poor soul if you hit a set. This is what you want to do if you think a higher pocket pair is lurking out there somewhere..
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a500lbgorilla
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06-21-2005, 07:04 PM
Post subject: Re: pre-flop question
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Originally Posted by spino1i
Suppose you are dealt TT on the button, and 6(!) people limp in before you. Now this on a 200 NL table that is normally tight as a rock and with only a few limpers if any and generally a pre-flop raise. Do you raise or just call for fear of someone holding KK or AA and reraising back?
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Um, it's clearly a limp to set scenario.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by Element187
i dont play NL200
but i would raise about 8x the BB to try to get everyone to fold back.. depending how much its reraised back at me, i might consider calling it to outflop them and destack them.
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Why? there's no reason to start creating a huge pot to play into with TT. You can easily just limp and try to set, or feeler bet a low flop.
You shouldnt be afraid of AA or KK, but you dont wanna go crazy just becuase you have a pair.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Xanadu
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I'm with 'rilla, limp it and hope for a set ... you don't want to be pushed out by a bigger pp preflop. I've run into some players that try to trap pre-flop ... they won't raise QQ or better unless someone else raises then they come over the top big. Against these players I like the pre-flop info raise with hands that are easily dominated by big pocket pairs when they do hit the flop ... AK-AT, KQ, KJ. Some of these guys are set off with just a minraise too.
You don't mind seeing a flop with TT against AA. Seeing a flop with AQ against AA sucks. It's much easier to know when you are ahead with the med/low pocket pairs.
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06-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Post subject: Re: pre-flop question
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Um, it's clearly a limp to set scenario.
-'rilla
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yep. I agree.
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However, at a weak/tight table you can also win the 6 limpers' money a good percentage of the time with a raise, and you can play your reads post-flop if you get a caller or two. If the table is really tricky/silly and is limping big hands for reraise traps, the limp is more right. Finally, limping might not be that great if you are up against a bunch of weak tighties who won't pay your set off if you hit (don't go broke in an unraised pot, etc.).
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by face
However, at a weak/tight table you can also win the 6 limpers' money a good percentage of the time with a raise, and you can play your reads post-flop if you get a caller or two. If the table is really tricky/silly and is limping big hands for reraise traps, the limp is more right. Finally, limping might not be that great if you are up against a bunch of weak tighties who won't pay your set off if you hit (don't go broke in an unraised pot, etc.).
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You're still volunteering to walk right into a pile of deep and smelly shit.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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