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Waggho
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01-07-2005, 08:22 AM
Post subject: pot sized on turn?
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 260
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I´m thinking like this: If I have TPTK on flop I bet pot-sized (partly) to scare straight and flush drawers away. Four-to-a-flush and open ended both have ~1/3 of getting their card on either turn or river, so heads up, they have incorrect odds to call.
But on the turn, what do you bet when you still want to scare them?? They now have only ~1/6 chance and the pot is pretty big. So a half pot sized bet should be enough to give them the wrong odds? How do you do? Betting pot sized on the turn with top pair could be pretty expensive...
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
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If I'm convinced they're drawing and haven't hit, I bet pot-sized all the way. I'll even go all in on the turn to make them really sweat. Some idiots will still call that bet with just their draw, but in the long run those idiots pay you money.
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LeFou
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01-07-2005, 07:25 PM
Post subject: Re: pot sized on turn?
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 2,361
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Waggho
Betting pot sized on the turn with top pair could be pretty expensive...
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Good instincts. Betting less than this protects you from sandbaggers -- TP is hardly a lock -- and still takes away drawing odds.
Keep in mind that unless you ALWAYS read correctly, and ALWAYS fold when the completing card comes out on the river, they're getting implied odds as well. The 3 to 1 you lay them at the turn is not effective unless you can deprive them of the last bet when they complete.
That is to say, if you lay them 3 to 1, the 3rd heart comes out, and you still bet and get raised and call, then opp played correctly despite calling "against" the odds.
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,107
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That's very true. Part of playing "correctly" is making correct folds. If you can't fold to their huge river bet, you are paying them to keep making bad calls on the turn.
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Lucid
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2004
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The downside to folding to a made flush draw on the river is that you become subject to the bluff. If someone has a busted strait or mediocre kicker they can just make a large bet on the river if the flush card comes and make you fold.
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