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DrumzCT
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02-06-2005, 06:01 AM
Post subject: Post Flop 2 part Question
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Straight
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My biggest leak right now is post flop play, specifically when I get to limp in from the BB.
When I enter a hand of my own free will, I'm fine and I can control the action enough to take the pot or get the info I need to make a cheap laydown.
Sometimes (sng last night) I get to limp with 68os and hit the nut straight but more often than not I hit mid pair and put out a small bet and either get raised out or even worse, cold called so I open again on the turn where i get cold called again then i get scared and check the river and get raised out.
As I type it and read it to myself I hear myself saying back to myself then check/fold the turn moron.
Also in general post flop play, I'll raise 3-5xBB with KQs or AQS or something of that nature. Two undercards flop (ex. im holding AQ and KJx flops) and I either open up and get raised out or someone bets small and I cant justify a call with 6outs which may be tainted for 2pair because they called a raise.
Is cutting my losses and getting out here the right call?
Thanks in advance
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JeffreyGB
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Absent a read on your opponents, I'd say yes, in both of these situations getting away from it is a good decision. In the AQ situation it depends a bit more on your definition of "small bet." I would call a min bet here, esp on a raised preflop (though the possibility for 2 pair does indeed exist...be mindful and watchful for this, but don't assume your opponent has a hand that beats you just because it exists).
- Jeffrey
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gregor
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if you have AQ and kj falls you can hit an A,Q,10 to potentially win (10 outs)...depending on your read, the Q may not be any good, stills gives you 7 outs ~ 25% hitting on the turn/river combines....make sure you are getting 4-1 pot odds
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dalecooper
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In regard to the middle pair dilemma, I usually handle it like this: I lead out with a solid semi-bluff bet identical to my standard bet, which is about 2/3 of the pot. Round it off toward the low side if you want and save a few chips. If you get flat-called or raised, time to let it go, because you're probably beat.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by gregor
if you have AQ and kj falls you can hit an A,Q,10 to potentially win (10 outs)...depending on your read, the Q may not be any good, stills gives you 7 outs ~ 25% hitting on the turn/river combines....make sure you are getting 4-1 pot odds
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If you're only getting exactly the odds you need to call the flop bet, you're probably going to lose money calling. The reason is that when you miss the turn, you're going to have to pay again to see the river. Unless you're sure that there will be no turn bet, calling a break even odds call on the flop gets expensive over time. If the bet is sufficiently small, then yes, he can call. That's why I said it depends on the definition of a small bet. Oh, and as he noted it could be as tainted as playing against 2 pair or a set. You don't know that the A is good here either (though I'd agree that it probably is).
- Jeffrey
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gregor
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by gregor
if you have AQ and kj falls you can hit an A,Q,10 to potentially win (10 outs)...depending on your read, the Q may not be any good, stills gives you 7 outs ~ 25% hitting on the turn/river combines....make sure you are getting 4-1 pot odds
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If you're only getting exactly the odds you need to call the flop bet, you're probably going to lose money calling. The reason is that when you miss the turn, you're going to have to pay again to see the river. Unless you're sure that there will be no turn bet, calling a break even odds call on the flop gets expensive over time. If the bet is sufficiently small, then yes, he can call. That's why I said it depends on the definition of a small bet. Oh, and as he noted it could be as tainted as playing against 2 pair or a set. You don't know that the A is good here either (though I'd agree that it probably is).
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good post, depends on the flop bet and what you put him on.....any real stength and i'd get off the previously mentioned hand...
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Demiparadigm
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NEVER chase in NL unless you're drawing to the nuts and have 2 overcards.(This is old school advice from T.J. and Doyle) Fold, wait for a better hand.
If you are the blind and are allowed to see a flop with crap, and you flop crap, check/fold. You have nothing invested in the pot, NEVER throw good money after bad (More old school advice.)
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DrumzCT
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Great thanks guys. Funny how knowing when to get out is one of if not the most important part of this game.
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