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bbqsquirrel
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12-07-2006, 08:08 PM
Post subject: Position with respect to the raiser in multiway pots
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 260
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In a multiway pot I find it easier to play my hand if I'm to the right (not left) of the preflop raiser. For example, I might limp-call a raise from MP with 2 other callers with KJs in UTG but not call a same-sized raise from LP with the same hand on the button.
My reasons are fairly apparent. People tend to check to the raiser, who often fires a c-bet. If you are immediately to the left of the PF raiser and you want to call, you have to consider what the multiple remaining players might do, e.g. calling with a better draw, raising or check-raising. And once you call the c-bet you give the remaining players better pot odds.
Being OOP wrt the the raiser you can see how other players react to the raiser's c-bet:
1) If there are 1 or 2 c-bet callers and you have a good draw you often have good pot odds to chase.
2) If the board is dry (e.g. J62), everyone else folds to the c-bet and you have some marginal hands (like 99) you can try to make an informational play on the original raiser (e.g. check-raising or call-donkbet a blank turn) while the pot is still relatively small, to see whether your unimproved PP is ahead of his missed big cards.
3) If you have a monster (e.g a set) you can check-raise and some c-bet callers might urge themselves to call again because they have already committed one bet on the flop.
Are my points valid? Please comment.
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martindcx1e
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having position is usually the best possible scenario for you.
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benny999
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those are good points...there's actually a word for this - "relative" position. sometimes it's better to be oop (actually you're just out of "absolute" but not "relative" position) like in those situations you wrote.
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Lukie
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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these are good points.. you should always take into consideration of your relative position as well as your absolute position. Relative position most often applies to the preflop raiser, and for one example, being in the SB facing a button raiser ABSOLUTELY SUCKS, because you have the worst relative position and the worst absolute position.
It can also apply to a huge maniac or something too. A lot of times you'll refer to the seat on a maniac's left as the jesus seat, but sometimes, depending on a lot of factors including player skill, it's better to have them on your left because you can just check everything to them and see how the rest of the field reacts before you make a decision. I guess it's just something to think about.
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