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Renton
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04-01-2006, 06:17 PM
Post subject: Poll: What do you do here?
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Straight Flush
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You are playing 10 handed 100NL. Effective stacks are 120.
You pick up AA in the small blind. A dopey tight passive opens for 4 in MP.
You reraise to 10. Dopey T/P fourbets to 20.
What do you do?
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
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Is this a joke? Push.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Eck979
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Push
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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Would this change if you were in position?
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
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No. Push.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Eck979
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Harrisburg
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Nope. He looks like he wants to play for stacks and w/ the best hand why not. If he folds and I just take his raise, I'm happy w/ that too... We all know Aces do get cracked
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Les_Worm
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All you can eat baby...
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The artist formerly known as Knish
Only mediocre players are always at their best.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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Reason I posted this is because the last 4-5 fucking times I have followed the correct advice in this situation, I have gotten folds. Its really, really starting to make me angry.
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Eck979
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Just be happy you turned a profit and didn't get stacked by a bad beat.
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thnwkd
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Flush
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I haven't played much ring yet and definitely no 100nl, but another reraise from you basically screams aces. so i hesitate a bit and call. on a non K flop I hesitate again then bet like half the pot. I think this gets his stack in the middle.
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Success is how high you bounce after hitting bottom.
IslandGrinder
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sejje
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Eck979
Just be happy you turned a profit and didn't get stacked by a bad beat.
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Really? You're supposed to be happy with this?
Quote:
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Originally Posted by thnwkd
on a non K flop.
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Are you saying you fold a K-high flop?
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by sejje
Are you saying you fold a K-high flop?
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If I have AA and go to the flop after a reraising battle with a tight player, I strongly consider folding a K high flop to a big bet, and even more so when theres a K and a Q. If anything, I will generally seek a cheap show down with position.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
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I'd push all-in. But if I'd notice from previous experience people will fold this, then I'd reraise em step by step and see how high they are willing to go. All-in on a not too scary flop thereafter.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Murd0c
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Straight
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Either push all-in or reraise to half the size of his remaining stack then push the flop regardless of what comes.
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Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
Bankroll: ~$1900 (Almost BR'ed for 100NL.)
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Silly String
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Murd0c
Either push all-in or reraise to half the size of his remaining stack then push the flop regardless of what comes.
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What he said.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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johnny_fish
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
Quote:
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Originally Posted by sejje
Are you saying you fold a K-high flop?
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If I have AA and go to the flop after a reraising battle with a tight player, I strongly consider folding a K high flop to a big bet, and even more so when theres a K and a Q. If anything, I will generally seek a cheap show down with position. |
One of the best flops for KK after a reraise preflop is Q-high. DUCY? 
Anyway, on-topic: against a passive OOP it's probably best to just reraise (to 50 or all-in, whatever gets his money in). If he's a bit aggressive or you have position, give him some rope and just call.
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jyms
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I put him on AA or KK so I reraise and see the flop. No K, I bet big. All-in scares alot of passives but big raises sometimes get called or reraised. If you don't see the K your at worst, even, then all-in with the large pot. gives ya a better chance at more of his stack than all-in and he folds.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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i'm glad someone selected fold.
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gabe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
i'm glad someone selected fold.
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i'm glad you added fold to the poll.
if you have PT numbers on the tight/passive opener and he is like 10/3, just push overtop of his initial raise!
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arkana
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Full House
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The better the opponent the more likely i am to just call, 4-betting preflop makes it easy for nitty opponents to lay down AKs, QQ, JJ (some even fold KK).
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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if hes horrible push
if he isnt call, and let him love the flop. If ur gona get two outered your gona get two outered
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Murd0c
Either push all-in or reraise to half the size of his remaining stack then push the flop regardless of what comes.
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bigboy5540
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Flush
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flat call. then bet the flop. he will raise you almost everytime and then you can push. the people who say be happy they folded to your preflop push are fishy fools.
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im good at poker
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Lukie
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4-of-a-Kind
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Someone makes it 4, and we raise it to 10 OOP? I don't think so. Jack it up more.
As played and facing the 3rd raise and the amount that it is raised to, I think he is a donkey, and I push.
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gabe
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Moderator
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Lukie
Someone makes it 4, and we raise it to 10 OOP? I don't think so. Jack it up more.
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oooh i missed that the first time. making it 10 sucks, good players will stack you when you reraise small with monsters.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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is 12 better? or even more?
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bigboy5540
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Flush
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if you re raise you reveal your hand. there is a raise then re raise. if you RE RE raise, even a donkey can figure out what you are holding. Remember, donkeys are people too. They can reason, though often times not well. Even they know that a RE RE raise can only mean most likely two or MAYBE three hands: AA, KK, QQ. He will be more careful, and yes, you may get lucky and still stack the donkey, but if you are more deceptive with your hand you are sure to stack the donkey.
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im good at poker
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bigboy5540
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Flush
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i just don't like the sour taste of letting him get off easy if he does indeed fold.
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im good at poker
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bigboy5540
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Flush
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as a good player once said, why push when the donkey is doing all the pulling?
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im good at poker
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