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Backstory. Today, I was playing the dregs of 10nl, and I got my money in good against an opponent (straight flush draw against an overpair) My shove was about the size of the pot on the flop and he called, so I was getting obvious overlay. He goes ballistic, calling me a jerk, and an idiot, and telling me I would lose my money. I flip out... Now seriously... I'm a nice guy, usually the only thing I ever post is "NH" or I'll chat a little about a really nice play if I see one... but I flat fuckin' flip out. I made such comments as: --Does it hurt to be retarded? Do all of your friends make fun of you when they see you in a helmet and a diaper with drool all over your face? --(he makes a comment about bangin' my mom..) Really? Hey man, if 350lbs, chainsmoking, herpes stations are your thing, go for it... I know retards like you have a hard time gettin' laid.. Good for you man! I mean it. --(He's taunting me into playing him.. calling me a baby, and a rock) Hey tardboy... if you aren't smart enough to lay a mediocre hand down, I have to let my cards do the talking.. I'll get your RE-BUY soon enough.. these are your chips sitting in front of me. --Finally he starts to break, he's calling my raises lightly and folding, telling me that I'm retarded for bluffing all the time, and that I don't have the balls to play "real poker" So I shove. but before I shove, I say: You don't have the balls to call me. and I shove. The trick is that I had 99 on the button and flopped a set... he calls. insta call, and mucks 2 overs on a dry board. -- More taunting ensues, and he's on crazy tilt, 3-betting me with any two cards and shoving the turn no matter what he has, I keep talking crap. He's calling me an idiot and telling me that shoving AI without a pair is terribad play... I stack him with a straight flush draw again, he called me with air... I realize this is a small brag... but I can't help but feel like taunting was a mistake, or may come back to bite me. Good? Bad? Indifferent? I lifted 5 buy ins off this guy. |
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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| jyms |
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| If you have time to type and argue in chat, OPEN MORE FUCKEN TABLES. | ||||
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| kmind |
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i don't like preflop. when I am on a heater and something happens in chat I play it cool. When I am on a downswing fuck everyone. |
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| Ragnar4 |
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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3 things. 1) First I thought you were the one tilting ("I flip out... ") and I wanted to advise calm. Although in this case you seemed to have won the tilting match please notice that when someone calls you an idiot for making a play that is actually justified by your equity and pot odds it's not something to get upset about - it's something to get pleased about. It proves you are playing against players who are dying to give you their chips. Get in more hands with them and ignore the abuse imo - knowing that you will probably consistently make better decisions. 2) Short term: Clearly +EV 3) Long term? Now you have 'history' with this guy. Will he seek you out to give you more of his money? Will he avoid you? Will he bad mouth you to other players (and will that affect their image of you in a way that is good or bad for your EV should you play against them)? Having someone else call you a poor player is much more effective at establishing an image than anything you can say or do. But if he says it in a way that shows he's a jerk (and with poor judgement) and also mentions that you stacked him 5 times in one session, it will make people conclude instead that you're a shark. And it's pretty given that he won't be shutting up. |
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| shh... i'm trying to count your chips. | ||||
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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Ok... here are my thoughts on it, at the micros I see a lot of players who talk WAY too much. I love the ones that fold then tell you their cards... especially when you were losing but they folded to the 3-bet. Anyway, if you think it will tilt them a little, a little jab here and there can not hurt... but remember, if they tilt you chatting, you're getting the worst of it. I love to say stuff like 'great hand' when they shove over with air or crap... especially if they luck out and hit a pair on the river... things like the other night I am in with QQ pre-flop, I raise to 6xBB, button re-raises to 3xmy raise, I call, flop is nothing spectacular, no overcards... I bet pot size, he calls... so I'm a little worried about a bigger pocket pair but not really... I check the turn which is a 4, he shoves his stack, which is pot sized... i call and he is sitting with 3-4 suited, total of 3 suited cards (so no flush possible)... and he hits a 3 on the river... so I immediately say "great hand" and he thinks it is a compliment. Sometimes it tilts them, sometimes they get the smart-assed comment, sometimes they don't... But a minor tilt prompted by a comment to another player... as long as they don't re-tilt you... I love it. |
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Also... one thing that helps... send them a smartassed comment and then put them on mute... will tilt them even more. And they can't re-tilt you. |
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| Gambling is a sin and immoral, this can't be much worse. | ||||
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If he'll tilt because of chat, he'll almost always tilt without it. Remember, they don't pay attention down here unless they're in the hand, and sometimes not even then. The difference is, when you chat-to-tilt, you're alerting the whole table to how severe the tilt is, a fact that otherwise half or more of them may not have picked up on until the 3rd or 4th rebuy. By the way, there is nothing WRONG about chat-to-tilt. But you might ask yourself if there's another way to accomplish the same result. |
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| Ragnar4 |
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I thought tilt was purely measured by the cards you play. If you're talking shit, but still always getting your money in good, are you really on tilt? That would mean that Hellmuth, and Matasow are always tilting. |
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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| The few times I've ever slipped and made a comment the bad player has left the table and I'm left there feeling like I just chased away the golden goose. Maybe I'm not taunting well enough to get them enraged enough to stay. | ||||
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And we're trying to avoid the tables you are on so we don't lose a bunch of money. |
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LMAO |
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| just get your chat banned | ||||
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*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to davenigma [Ac Ad] whaleny has returned MONEYMAGNET420 folds kourva85 has 15 seconds left to act kourva85 raises to $10 TNN4731 has 15 seconds left to act davenigma: qq good? TNN4731 folds bernie82 folds giimoney folds davenigma has 15 seconds left to act davenigma: that's a crazy bet davenigma raises to $165.75, and is all in GT-R 2010 folds jimyoh folds kourva85 calls $115.10, and is all in davenigma shows [Ac Ad] kourva85 shows [Ks Kd] Cash_Money_Dan has 15 seconds left to act Cash_Money_Dan has requested TIME davenigma: zzzzzzzzzzz Cash_Money_Dan: u really got AKh? davenigma: i got you owned Cash_Money_Dan calls $117.25 *** SHOW DOWN *** davenigma shows [Ah Kh] a flush, Ace high Cash_Money_Dan mucks [4h 5h] davenigma wins the pot ($273.50) with a flush, Ace high |
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don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| If tilting people is wrong I don't want to be right. | ||||
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daven, Do you really think your clever chat helped you win those two pots? |
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the flush over flush - yes I haven't used chat for that sort of stuff for almost a year - those were both in the last couple of days and now I'll probably stop doing it for another year |
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this is POKER WHAT THE FAWK IS THIS THREAD!!!! I definitely use chat to my advantage, all the time you sound cut out for cricket gambling. lots of gentleman and tea! |
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I'll steal this one if you don't mind. Live I don't do it because I play it for fun. Online I think it's hilarious. I put the needle on every time I suck out big. I know how much money I made from people I sucked out on who then reloaded and went after me. Plus I push with straight/flush flush/overcard draws all day long, so it does happen quite a lot. |
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I don't think I ever saw someone do that who didn't have a really strong hand. Players usually are more talkative if they have a big hand than if they have nothing. Many people are so tensed when pulling off a bluff, especially live that they don't dare to say anything. |
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use chat to build your image, not to attempt to tilt others. Didn't read thread cuz I don't gotta. |
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 Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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I don't show chat 'cause I have ADD... but I still talk sh!t in the chat box... don't know if anybody can see it because I don't show chat 
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Bottom line, don't do that. ChezJ |
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Here it is http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/17590 It's not something that comes up too often, but it's quite reliable. If your opponent is waiting on you to react to a large bet, and starts mentioning hands that you could have, he likely can beat every hand he mentions. Obviously, there may be exceptions, but I've found this tell to be one of the more reliable ones that I use. Ok he said "quite reliable" not "infallible" but you get the point. ChezJ |
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| use whatever means necessary. Beat them, if chat will help you make them tilt, then good. | ||||
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I play 10NL and have found chatting to tilt to be just plain detrimental to my game. I'll poke at someone with insults, then use their 'tilt' as a read and be blown away when they show me the nuts. Or, I'll fake my own tilt, expecting calls when I have a hand, and the timing (or something) just ain't right; in this case, I have lost quality chances at slowplaying or otherwise utilizing better strategy. So, I don't believe that tilting a player in chat "will come back to get me", but I have also stopped putting faith in the chatbox. Maybe it is different at higher stakes. Or, maybe that is just my style... |
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I'm at $10NL these days, have played higher, and I still have the chat on "dealer summary only". I just think I need to be a lot better at poker before I start getting into minds games. As for trying to "psyche-out" someone, then I suppose if he's stupid enough to get into the chat thing with you he only has himself to blame. Although it's $10NL... so... 
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it is very simple for me.. If they are talking trash it is obv that they are A) Trying to tilt a player B) On tilt themselves C) Rude and Immature at any rate i find it quite easy to stay out of it, and then capitalize on those who get involved in "chat battles". one of the most common results I see is that the player being talked too or about usually tightens up as a result of the comments (if they get involved in the chat) and the player doing the trash talking is usually focused on the player they are berrating... and both of them usually are not focused on the table as a whole, which is how i like it, often I end up getting into pots with the arguers, and snapping them BOTH off, becuase they bet at the pot as if i am not even in the hand, and since I am a NIT it suits me just fine, since i usually have a better hand than both of the tools involved in the arguement. So i have no problem with talking trash at the table , it serves a purpose for me most of the time, and I have been know to needle a player a few times myself. |
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