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IowaSkinsFan
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07-14-2006, 12:18 AM
Post subject: Poker Problems... Foresight
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I've realized a leak in my game is my foresight preflop and on the flop. By foresight I mean what move will allow me to have losing hands lose the least and winning hands extract the most value. Of course now that I realize I have this problem I can improve on it. Any suggestions on how to improve on it? Any key thoughts I should have in my mind?
Thanks.
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BobbySalami
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Circumcision...that takes care of that foreskin or w/e
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by BobbySalami
Circumcision...that takes care of that foreskin or w/e
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I already have that..... seriously, I'm Jewish... any other tips on foreskin.... errr foresight.
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Lukie
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Try to manipulate the size of the pot through your bets, checks, raises, etc., so you're playing big pots with big hands and small pots with marginal hands. Seems obvious, but a lot of times people get carried away with slowplaying monsters and making big desperation bluffs, or play average-at-best draws super agressively (basically getting the whole idea backwards).
As far as foresight, just think about how future action can go down. IE, say you flop a set and you want to attack somebody's entire stack.
Say the pot size is 14bb, with 100bb effective behind. Heads up on the flop, out of position. What's your plan here? Of course this question is so general it's pretty much unanswerable, but lets just try manipulating the pot and save different lines we can take for another day. Say we lead for 10bb, he calls, pot is up to 34bb. now we lead for say, 26bb, he calls, pot is up to 86bb. Now we stick in our last 64bb, and we're allin. This is 3 bets, and this can be accomplished so many ways. Lead+lead+lead. C/R+push. Lead+crai. Lead+c/c+open push. Etc.
I'm tired btw and usually when that happens i get down a bunch of ideas but it comes off as being all over the place so if that's the case i apologize.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Lukie
Try to manipulate the size of the pot through your bets, checks, raises, etc., so you're playing big pots with big hands and small pots with marginal hands. Seems obvious, but a lot of times people get carried away with slowplaying monsters and making big desperation bluffs, or play average-at-best draws super agressively (basically getting the whole idea backwards).
As far as foresight, just think about how future action can go down. IE, say you flop a set and you want to attack somebody's entire stack.
Say the pot size is 14bb, with 100bb effective behind. Heads up on the flop, out of position. What's your plan here? Of course this question is so general it's pretty much unanswerable, but lets just try manipulating the pot and save different lines we can take for another day. Say we lead for 10bb, he calls, pot is up to 34bb. now we lead for say, 26bb, he calls, pot is up to 86bb. Now we stick in our last 64bb, and we're allin. This is 3 bets, and this can be accomplished so many ways. Lead+lead+lead. C/R+push. Lead+crai. Lead+c/c+open push. Etc.
I'm tired btw and usually when that happens i get down a bunch of ideas but it comes off as being all over the place so if that's the case i apologize.
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Very nice post. I'm very aware of the concepts you presented.(I play 25NL and 11's SNG's) One interesting situation is with QQ and JJ when I'm reraised (most of the time min raised in an SNG after raising 7x the BB on level 1) I get completely lost. Suppose opp is loose, WTF do I do in an SNG (In ring I'd obviously push right?) Suppose opp is tight, in ring I'd assume I'd see the flop for set value only...... but in an SNG do I do the same?
Also playing AK in position to a raise. If the raise is in EP I reraise for info. but how about MP? Do I call to see a cheap flop and for value if an A or K hits, or should I reraise and easily take the pot on the flop? If opp is loose should I make a big reraise for value? If opp is tight then WTF?
Anyways I know I'm asking situational questions but i'm having problems with them.
P.S. one more situation. I flop a set into an unraised pot preflop. the flop isn't scary. 4 to 5 people total in the hand. I lead out for 2/3rd's the pot........ lol wait nvm this ones obvious.
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Wyldfoxx
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
P.S. one more situation. I flop a set into an unraised pot preflop. the flop isn't scary. 4 to 5 people total in the hand. I lead out for 2/3rd's the pot........ lol wait nvm this ones obvious.
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I'm interested in this...
In this situation do you assume you have the nuts with the set, and hope you get some calls on your raise, or hope someone re-raises on a bluff? Or, are you wanting everyone to fold to you so you can take down the 5-6 BB pot??? (sorry it's not so obvious to me  )
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Greedo017
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Originally Posted by Wyldfoxx
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
P.S. one more situation. I flop a set into an unraised pot preflop. the flop isn't scary. 4 to 5 people total in the hand. I lead out for 2/3rd's the pot........ lol wait nvm this ones obvious.
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I'm interested in this...
In this situation do you assume you have the nuts with the set, and hope you get some calls on your raise, or hope someone re-raises on a bluff? Or, are you wanting everyone to fold to you so you can take down the 5-6 BB pot??? (sorry it's not so obvious to me ) |
i think i can give an answer to this. assume you have the nuts with the set, and you want other people to be hitting any button other than fold.
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Renton
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Be well aware of the implied threat of future bets when you have a hand that is unlikely to improve, regardless of the current bet sizing. Avoid deepstack confrontations with unsuited unpaired cards, and encourage deepstack confrontations with pairs and small suited connectors.
Flop sets, get paid, and noise, noise, noise, smoke some weed, smoke some weed. Fuck anything that moves.
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Miffed22001
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stop betting/c-betting when you can check with relative safety and provide yourself with some pot control on later streets.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
stop betting/c-betting when you can check with relative safety and provide yourself with some pot control on later streets.
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I don't understand what you mean by pot control? I mean with a set I assume you want to seize the control of the hand to the opps to not reveal the strength of your hand?
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Rockymv
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
stop betting/c-betting when you can check with relative safety and provide yourself with some pot control on later streets.
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I don't understand what you mean by pot control? I mean with a set I assume you want to seize the control of the hand to the opps to not reveal the strength of your hand? |
He means that checking a made hand can be okay when it's the case that you're confident that you're either way ahead or way behind (so a free card isn't so dangerous) and that betting will likely cause all weaker hands and only weaker hands to fold.
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