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littleogre
Old 01-24-2010, 07:52 AM     Post subject: Playing weak made hands on the flop Question #1 (permalink)  

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 Finally got arounf 50k hands in my nldb and i have found that one of my biggest post flop leaks is second through 4th pair on the flop. I have tried different lines and they are all in the read. Some more so then others To start off i would like to talk about flopped second pair.

Even at 50k hands it does not take many filters to make the data in significant.

If i ckeck fold 2nd pair i'm -209 bb
if i c-call i'm-217 bb
if i craise i'm +8.27 bb but the sample sise is less then 100 hands but maybe i'll try this line some more as so far everything else is just bleeding me dry. As far as lines starting with a check go

lets try leading out

BF=-27bb but once again small sample size
BC=-97bb
br=-800 bb but once again small sample

So if i bet it looks like i'm screwed. If i check i'm likely screwed.
Any advice I know a lot depends on villain but i know you guys got have some general tipesfor plaing 2nd pair.
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:58 AM #2 (permalink)  

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 Oh and i've never really experimented with floating with a flopped 2nd pair but i will run i filter to see what i get.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 You're not supposed to be winning with flopped fourth pair. Just a thought.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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You're not supposed to be winning with flopped fourth pair. Just a thought.
You beat me to it. Try folding, learn to love it. Next time, just let it go.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:50 PM #5 (permalink)  

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 Well right now i'm talking about flopped second pair and check folding is -209 BBs over a 300 hand sample. Surely there must be a better way?
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Yeah there is. Put your opponent on a goddamn range and proceed from there.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:33 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 You should post some hands and give us your thinking and all that good stuff. Wouldn't hurt and would probably help a lot.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:50 PM #8 (permalink)  

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 ok this is a kinda old hand as i don't ss anymore

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B3 ($9.02)
B2 ($5.02)
B1 ($2.66)
BN ($0.34)
SB ($3.97)
Hero ($0.80)
B4 ($2.96)

BN is the button.

Precards:
SB posts the small blind $0.01, Hero posts the big blind $0.02.

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9 Q (7 active)
B4 folds, B3 calls $0.02, B2 calls $0.02, B1 calls $0.02, BN folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks.

Flop: 5 9 J ($0.10, 5 active)
SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

Turn: 5 9 J 8 ($0.10, 5 active)
SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

River: 5 9 J 8 7 ($0.10, 5 active)
SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

My thinking on the flop is with that many folks 2nd pair is likely no good and i didn't wannna get raised. Perhaps i could of bet the turn after it was checked to me?
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:58 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Perhaps you could have put your opponents on ranges?
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:06 PM #10 (permalink)  

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 I left stats out because my poker sleuth isn't working right and i honestly don't remember what there stats were.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:39 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 You don't need stats to estimate ranges. Less excuses, more analysis. Get it together man. Make like Nike and just do it. :]
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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