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spino1i
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04-04-2005, 08:17 AM
Post subject: playing pocket pair warfare
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Suppose you are dealt KK. Suppose further more after some raising and re-raising, you and one other guy are going to see a flop heads-up for 15$ a pop. You were the one who did the last re-raise, so he and you are pretty sure your pockets are better than his pockets (so he doesn't have bullets). Suppose further more that your whole stack is 70$, so you have to 55$ left in your stack to bet with.
The flop comes 10 9 7. Which gives him the possiblity of having hit the set (if he had 9's or 10's), but also the possiblity of missing (if he had J's or Q's). You also have position on him. He checks on the flop. How do you bet on the flop turn and river to maximize profits from your superior pocket pair while being able to lay your cards down as quickly as possible if he actually catches that set?
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dsaxton
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If he has J-J he has 6 outs to win, so you bet the pot to hedge against that possibility, and he'll probably call with Q-Q anyways. On the turn you put him all-in. You don't fold at any point in this hand.
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spino1i
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The reason i say that is, this very situation came up. And guess what? He had 10's! I bet 15$ on the flop and he calls and I bet another 10$ on the turn and he pushes all-in! I called his all-in and he had flopped the nut set of course and I got de-stacked.
I am realy wondering if there is anyway to avoid this..
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Laeelin
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I am realy wondering if there is anyway to avoid this..
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The only way to avoid bad beats is to not play.
:P
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studboyjoe
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You played this well, just a bad beat. Folding to his all-in was an option, but ONLY if you knew he was a very tight, solid player whose all-in means the nuts. He actually played your exact strategy for the hand once he saw his set, what can I say?
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dsaxton
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You just got unlucky. You can't put him on 10's here, and you expect to have the best hand. You're basically compelled to go broke here.
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hagakure
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
If he has J-J he has 6 outs to win, so you bet the pot to hedge against that possibility, and he'll probably call with Q-Q anyways. On the turn you put him all-in. You don't fold at any point in this hand.
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You can't say that without seeing the turn and river cards. Depending on what they came out as, you better sure as hell fold.
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Zangief
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04-04-2005, 06:31 PM
Post subject: Re: playing pocket pair warfare
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Originally Posted by spino1i
Suppose you are dealt KK. Suppose further more after some raising and re-raising, you and one other guy are going to see a flop heads-up for 15$ a pop.
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I think we need to know more of the details pre-flop to really know how well this was played. Just saying there was some raising and re-raising doesn't tell us whether this was a bad beat or not. (And we need to know how much was in the pot before there were any raises, too.)
I think for this to be a bad beat, you need to raise enough that your opponent is not getting implied odds on making his set against you. So we would also need to know stack sizes.
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SmackinYaUp
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Whatever you all decide in this hand, just be careful not to label every loss as a bad beat. Just because you have aces and you think theres only a 12% chance for someone to have a set against you. That is true, but if they re-raise you all in you cannot call every time and consider it a bad beat. If that was the case every made hand would be a bad beat and we'd all be broke.
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Element187
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with that much preflop reraising, the rest of my chips go in the middle, no matter what comes up on the flop.
maybe a 3 flush and 3 straight cards pop, i might be hesitant.. otherwise, i dont want to second guess myself .
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