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Old 02-23-2006, 08:42 PM     Post subject: Playing AK or AKs #1 (permalink)  
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I'm looking for some tips on how to play AK. I use PT and am consistently losing w/AK. After 5000 hands, I am -1.55BB/100 AKs and -.83BB/100 AKos. I raise it up 5-6x BB pre flop ($25 NL tables) and usually get 1-2 callers. I will hit it with a pot sized bet if I get my flop (A or K) and then usually fold if I get re-raised and smell a set. If someone bets out, i will raise them and see what happens. Again, if re-raised I usually fold unless the player is a donk which in that case he usually is holding A-rag or K-rag and thinks his hand is good. I've taken a few stacks and also lost a few (bad read--thought the guy was a donk so I called and he had a set once). But, after reviewing my HH, I've lost many showdowns because somebody hit 2pr on me, obviously with a vastly inferior hand (JT, KQ, T8....)--sucking out on the turn or river. Again, I don't make draws cheap and make sure they don't have the pot odds to draw on me but they always seem to do it. So, any tips?
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Bob Ciaffone on Cardplayer describes various ways of playing AK, with regards to position and stack depth.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...=12995&m_id=49

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Old 02-23-2006, 09:14 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Personally, I see AK as a bit of a shell game. It's in my raising range, it's in my calling range, sometimes I'll even re-raise with it or hammer out of the blinds with it. However, I'm generally not looking to get paid off big when I hit the board. If I hit and get action, either someone is on a draw, full of crap, is a kicker or two down the food chain, is an idiot or I'm in a lot of trouble. Take your pick. However, if I didn't play AK like that, then repping becomes transaparent when/if they see how I really play AK.

Hence, I'm pretty much settled on around 2/3 to 3/4 pot as my standard bet size. Potting by default does bad things for my game. When I hit top pair on the board sometimes I'll just check behind the turn and play a river, it really depends effective stack sizes and what I think of the other guy's calling standards + aggression.

The spot where I really make my money in the games I play in is when I raise it up with something like 22, get called by big cards, hit a set on the flop or turn and get to put in the 3rd bet on a post-flop street.

...this is why I mock people who post HHs without reads.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Fnord, what do you think about occassional limp-push from EP? With AA/KK mixed, in order to keep them guessing.

Pokerstove says that even KK is a high variance marginal call against that range...

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.6912 % 50.62% 03.60% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 47.3088 % 45.08% 03.60% { KK }

Besides, AK is as good against AQ/AJ as KK, I had plenty of calls even with AT against my slick, there are guys even on $50NL that think AQ is good enough for playing for stacks. They just defend their raises too much.
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Fnord, what do you think about occassional limp-push from EP?
I think raise and folding to a re-raise (from the majority of players in these games) is a better line. You also need to sell me on limping from EP being a good idea outside of very particular table textures.

Just in case anyone gets any ideas, if I know you know who I am, I'm well aware of my need to make defensive calls like AKo OOP.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:53 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You also need to sell me on limping from EP being a good idea outside of very particular table textures.
Table texture description:
- Lots of limpers preflop (and dead money if no one reopen the gate well we have to make a hand )
- One or two idiots that minraise any "playable" hand (like JQs)
- Another donk that is happy to cold-call triple reraise with his AJ SOOTED (max value of AK, stack against stack with 3:1 edge)
- Couple of nits with deep stacks, that know limp-reraise move and release their non AA/KK pairs
- Two shorties with very wide calling range, they get pairs less often than two broadways

Typical crazy lowest of low stakes game.
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My typical table texture:

2-4 multi-tablers of various capacity to actually play poker.
1-3 single/double tablers trying to play well. Probably have a limit perspective on the game and make lots of juicy big bet mistakes.
2-4 horrible players on the short stack
1-2 horrible players on a full stack (often on a rush of cards)
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Old 02-25-2006, 05:39 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Personally I feel that AKs is my favorite hand;I tend to get off them quicker then my Aces or Kings when I've been beat after the flop.

As for opponents-I'll take 9 donkeys anyday.
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