Originally Posted by underminedsk

Or, get a BR and move to limits where 80% of the people arent retarded.

Originally Posted by Bmxicle

I don't get why so many people have this problem, its pretty straight forward. Don't bluff.

Originally Posted by Checkways

I would always look for the calling stations.


My bluffs just don't work against them.

Originally Posted by evman150

If you can't beat the worst players there are, then you suck at poker. Simple as that.

You sound like a bad player anyway.

Originally Posted by Bmxicle

I don't get why so many people have this problem, its pretty straight forward. Don't bluff. Maybe make the odd continuation bet when you are HU with someone, and maybe bluff the occasional small pot, but other then that you shouldn't bluff. Also you always need to be looking to extract more from marginal hands like top pair and such.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

well, do you actually play tight? the way you describe yourself, you sound loose, and even though you see them as never fearing kickers and them being unreadable, maybe you are the same way?

Originally Posted by Rondavu

The money you would normally make bluffing down pots against tight players is compensated by the extra money loose players pay you for your good hands.

If you don't know how to tighten up and play like 4 hands an hour than poker is not for you.

Originally Posted by storm75m

LMAO, You look for people who call you down, then you're mad cause they're calling you down... I'm so confused. Irony at it's finest.

Originally Posted by evman150

If you can't beat the worst players there are, then you suck at poker. Simple as that.

You sound like a bad player anyway.

Originally Posted by Element187

i think it was said already .. dont bluff if they are calling stations.

bluff the tighties, and make the calling stations pay you off. very elementary poker.

Originally Posted by Checkways

I'd like to think that there's more to it than that. Even the really bad players know not to pay off the grandma that hasn't made a bet in two hours.

Maybe I just haven't been hitting cards against these people. It'll turn around and probably make up for my losses and then some in the long run.

Originally Posted by BeatMeBad

DON'T BLUFF. It just does not work most of the time. Sure, you can bluff the occassional pot but it is definately not worth it. Most of these people will call you down with ANY piece of the board or ANY draw. You have to use that to your advantage: Don't overbet your hands. Just value bet and watch them call you down with whatever junk they've become attached to. They'll call you down with their MP or TPWK and you'll build your stack

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

And if they're loose, but don't understand pot odds, you can call with more suited connectors and then just gage trying to chase based on pot odds.

Originally Posted by Checkways

I'd like to think that there's more to it than that. Even the really bad players know not to pay off the grandma that hasn't made a bet in two hours.

Maybe I just haven't been hitting cards against these people. It'll turn around and probably make up for my losses and then some in the long run.

Originally Posted by Checkways

That's a good question. There are varying degrees of tightness of course. Perhaps where I play the game is just much looser. I typically play less hands than most of the people at the table. I definitely call less raises than others. But I try to mix it up so people can't get reads on me.

When I first started playing no limit, I played super tight - by the book. I see people play that way all the time. When they get the cards, they are superstars. When they don't, they lose. In general, they're so easy to play against, that I decided that I don't want to be that guy anymore.

Originally Posted by Checkways

Need some advice on this.

When I was playing limit, I would always look for the calling stations. I would change tables multiples times just looking for them.

Now that I play no limit, I've realized that I lose the most money against loose players. Not the good kind either. I lose to beginners and calling stations. My bluffs just don't work against them.

Problem is that the table will drastically change to loose when one or two of these guys come to the table and increase the size of the pots.

Waiting for monster hands just totally screws up my game. I don't know how to play like that. Even premium cards miss flops and get outdrawn. How many flops do I pay to see to get monster hands?

I think maybe my bluffs aren't big enough to scare looser players. Or maybe I shouldn't bluff at all against them. Or maybe I should just change tables.

It's just so annoying because they're really pretty bad. They never fear getting outkicked and I can never tell if they're just calling with low pair, a draw, overcards, or a monster.

Against a good loose player, I don't have much of a problem. I can still bluff because he will read me as being tight. He knows what a scare card is.

Advice would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by bair

jko1986 shows [ Ah, Qs ] a pair of sevens.
madduxman shows [ Jd, Ad ] two pairs, jacks and sevens.
jko1986 wins 95 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of sevens.
madduxman wins 2785 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and sevens.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

And, about continuation bets. I will use them 95% of the time. I don't usually run across tables where its not a good move. If it got really bad though, and I was getting called down every time, I might stop. I do use them at Party 25NL - if that gives you any help. Against a tight table, I can play looser and raise junk from late position, knowing I can continuation bet out any callers on the flop. Against a loose table, I find its important to appear very tight and solid, this way even though you might kill some action sometimes, there's almost always some idiot to come out of the woods and pay you off, while in general your continuation bets have a higher chance of getting respect, and that's worth it to me. I <3 continuation bets.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I used to lose money every week at my home game. It's a table of calling stations. One week I decide I'm going to min bet my draws (Top pair usually just calls), and bet hard on good hands. I decided I would NEVER continue at this table without hitting the flop hard. Yes you heard it, NEVER.

So I sit for 3 hours and lose 1 1/2 buy ins waiting for something to hit. Finally I hit a set. I turn the 3 bucks I have left into 15 in one hand. I quintripled up! Very next hand I get AK. K comes on flop, A on turn. Guess how much money was in my stack after the hand?

40 bucks

I bet $5 on the flop - 3 callers
I go all in for $10 on the turn - 1 caller

I busted two people. One guy had two pair A7, and the other called his last 5 bucks on a K 7 9 board holding 10 10.

Oh ya, and the blinds are 5¢ and 10¢

That means the guy with 10 10 called a 50xBB bet with the board beating him. That's brisk baby.

That's how you play against a loose table. You get payed off extremely on good hands, and you never bluff. If you never catch a hand then too f'ing bad, so sad.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I used to lose money every week at my home game. It's a table of calling stations. One week I decide I'm going to min bet my draws (Top pair usually just calls), and bet hard on good hands. I decided I would NEVER continue at this table without hitting the flop hard. Yes you heard it, NEVER.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I was sitting at this same loose table with my Tight Aggressive friend to my left. I got AQ suited. I raised it up preflop to 5xBB and got 7 callers. He was the only one who folded. The flop comes out 4 K T with the 4 and T of my suit. It cheks to me and I bet 3xBB into a 35xBB pot. I show my friend my cards because he's out of the hand, and he whispers to me "You know the person with the king is just calling right now?" I said "Of course I do, but they're irrelevant to me since I'm drawing to a hand that will beat them and they don't want to protect their hand. Otherwise I think they're really nice people."

I said this loud enough for anyone to hear. Still I got 7 callers to my wimpy bet. I did the same on the turn and got the same result. The river brought my flush, I bet 4 bucks, and a guy called me with KT. I mean seriously dude. Talk about an asshat. I like the guy though. He's really good at Yatzee.

Originally Posted by Element187

i was curious why i play online and profit, but when i have a home game with my friends i could never win .. one day i decided the same thing, no bluffing, show down good hands and see what happens.

my friends are maniacs, so i started playing 3 of a kind or bette ragainst (they would bet any pair real strong)

soon as i noticed what hands on average were being showndown the most, i decided to play hands stronger then that IE: 3 of a kind or better, and havent looked back since.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I was sitting at this same loose table with my Tight Aggressive friend to my left. I got AQ suited. I raised it up preflop to 5xBB and got 7 callers. He was the only one who folded. The flop comes out 4 K T with the 4 and T of my suit. It cheks to me and I bet 3xBB into a 35xBB pot. I show my friend my cards because he's out of the hand, and he whispers to me "You know the person with the king is just calling right now?" I said "Of course I do, but they're irrelevant to me since I'm drawing to a hand that will beat them and they don't want to protect their hand. Otherwise I think they're really nice people."

I said this loud enough for anyone to hear. Still I got 7 callers to my wimpy bet. I did the same on the turn and got the same result. The river brought my flush, I bet 4 bucks, and a guy called me with KT. I mean seriously dude. Talk about an asshat. I like the guy though. He's really good at Yatzee.