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Old 08-27-2007, 03:58 AM     Post subject: Players at UB #1 (permalink)  
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I decided to try a new site today cause I'm a break even player at FT in 10nl. I went to UB because when I started playing online a few years back I made some money there.All I can say is WOW these guys are nuts over here!There is 70% of the players limping in trying to see the flop every hand and they are chasing everything.What should be my strategy here?Should I just sit around and nut hunt?How do I keep these clowns from chasing?With so many limper's preflop what should my raises be? What should my starting requirements be?I find myself calling these guys with marginal hands since they run with middle pair but have been caught a few times so I need to stop this.Should I play 10 or 6 max or would this be personal preference? Thx....
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:23 AM     Post subject: Re: Players at UB #2 (permalink)  
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IHow do I keep these clowns from chasing?
Why? Why is this the general perception? You want chasing, this is a cash game. If they're not chasing, they're ahead. You only want them putting money in the pot ahead?
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:05 AM     Post subject: Re: Players at UB #3 (permalink)  
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What should be my strategy here?Should I just sit around and nut hunt?
Yes.

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With so many limper's preflop what should my raises be?
4x the bb + 1 bb for every limper. So if there are 3 limpers, that'd be 4($0.10) + 3($0.10) = .40 + .70 = $1.10

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I find myself calling these guys with marginal hands since they run with middle pair but have been caught a few times so I need to stop this.
Generally speaking, FR is rarely won with middle pair. Its rarely won with top pair for that matter, unless its an overpair (AA). Youre looking for the nuts, and then doing what you need to in order to get your money in the middle.

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Old 08-27-2007, 08:16 AM     Post subject: Re: Players at UB #4 (permalink)  
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With so many limper's preflop what should my raises be?
4x the bb + 1 bb for every limper. So if there are 3 limpers, that'd be 4($0.10) + 3($0.10) = .40 + .70 = $1.10
lol, you fail at math

OP, he means 7bb total, or .70.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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lol bigspenda I read that like 3 times thinking what the hell am I missing? 40 + 30 = ? Thx for the tips I'm going to put them to use and I'll tell ya how it went.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Here is a example of them catching up.Shoulda I a of reraised the flop?The texture looked so weak I thought they would hang themselves?

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MP ($12.46)
Button ($10.66)
SB ($4.72)
BB ($4.49)
Hero ($10.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6.
Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) 2, 6, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Button folds, SB calls $0.10.

Turn: ($0.90) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.2, MP calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.10.

River: ($1.70) J (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, SB folds.

Final Pot: $2.45
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:11 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Here is a example of them catching up.Shoulda I a of reraised the flop?The texture looked so weak I thought they would hang themselves?

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MP ($12.46)
Button ($10.66)
SB ($4.72)
BB ($4.49)
Hero ($10.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6.
Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) 2, 6, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Button folds, SB calls $0.10.

Turn: ($0.90) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.2, MP calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.10.

River: ($1.70) J (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, SB folds.

Final Pot: $2.45
This hand along with a previous comment you made in the thread shows that you need to study up a bit on how pot odds work and how to deny people the odds they need to draw out on you. Manipulating pot odds is how you'll make money off people who are chasing on you.

On the flop it's actually probably best to just call here since you'll get more money in on this street than if you raised, but only because there are very few hands that are drawing against you with more than 2 outs. On the turn, however, when the flush draw comes up, you need to raise it up and deny them the odds they need to chase. On the river I just call as played.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:21 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 that's about the only acceptable place to slowplay becauase

A. The pot is small
B. The board is dry

On the turn, however, you need to make a pot-sized raise.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Thank you.......... I'm trying! Is there a good place to learn about pot odds or how to denie them?
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:30 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 WTF!! I thought that was a limit hand except the betting changed on the turn card too.

You had a $10 stack and flopped a set, get the money in the pot, you only have two more streets.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:36 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Trainer_jyms What are you saying? what should my bet of been and how much? Thx....
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:37 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Ohh......... nice spoonitnow Thx..
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:40 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Trainer_jyms What are you saying? what should my bet of been and how much? Thx....
Here's what you need to do to analyze your own hand

1. Figure out on the flop the size of bets you will need to make on each street to get your entire stack into the pot
2. Figure out on the turn what odds someone is getting to draw to a flush and bet more than that amount in relation to the pot.
i.e.-we know that out of every 5 river cards 1 of them will be a club that does not pair the board and give you a full house beating their flush. If you make a bet that is less than 1/4th the size of the pot then they can call profitably to draw against your hand. However, if they hit their flush they will certainly get more money out of you on the river, and that money could be your entire stack. This is called "implied odds". They are not just calling your bet to win what is in the pot right now, but in NL there is plenty of money left behind so they could win a lot more if they hit the right card.

OK, I've said too much, come up with the bet-sizes that would work and we'll tell you if those are correct.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:08 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Ok, bigspenda so what you are saying is that you guys are willing to help me but I must do the leg work myself.since you guys will not be at the table with me and I need to do my own thinking to improve my game.I will try to learn how to make these calculations thru the info giving by you guys and the chart in the link.How did I play this hand?
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($10.40)
Hero ($19.31)
Button ($4.89)
SB ($8.95)
BB ($26.05)
UTG ($7.92)
UTG+1 ($4.25)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($7.78)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.8, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.70, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 6, 7, 6 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.25, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $1.85
Hand #45622945-6096 at Branfield (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 27/Aug/07 15:55:09

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Where did I go wrong with this hand pot odds wise?

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Button ($10.15)
Hero ($19.22)
BB ($7.14)
UTG ($5.09)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($7.91)
MP2 ($4.43)
MP3 ($1.95)
CO ($9.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, K. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) Q, 6, K (5 players)
Hero bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button folds.

Turn: ($2) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2, CO folds.

River: ($6) J (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BB calls $4.54 (All-In).

Final Pot: $15.08 BB wins with K,J

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Old 08-27-2007, 08:11 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Convert them please. Its a chore to read like that.

And yes.. 40 cents plus 30 cents is 70 cents, not a dollar ten. ;/
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:25 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Where did I go wrong with this hand

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BB ($7.14)
UTG ($5.09)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($7.91)
MP2 ($4.43)
MP3 ($1.95)
CO ($9.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, K. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:29 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Trainer_jyms are you saying where I went wrong is when I completed the SB to be in the hand in the first place?
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:29 PM #19 (permalink)  
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Where did I go wrong with this hand

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MP1 ($7.91)
MP2 ($4.43)
MP3 ($1.95)
CO ($9.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, K. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.
theres absolutely nothing wrong with completing Kxs in a 5 way pot.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:30 PM #20 (permalink)  
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 and you played it perfectly postflop. Youre looking for this exact flop or a flopped flush and bet the pot every street.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:31 PM #21 (permalink)  
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What is he trying to tell me then?
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:32 PM #22 (permalink)  
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Ok, I did not see your second post so just bad luck then?
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:37 PM #23 (permalink)  
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What is he trying to tell me then?
he's telling you to fold PF.

It's marginal either way with Kxs.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:24 PM #24 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: A bit of an overbet, I'd prefer to just bet 2/3rd to 3/4th the size of the pot here to try to induce a flush or straight draw to come along with incorrect odds.

Hand 2: At 10nl you should complete this SB everytime with this many people in the pot, imo. You played this pretty much perfectly.
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