Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

I wasn't aware that you had to categorize everyone you play against

Originally Posted by OngBonga

"Someone who limps too much pf."

I think I'm flatting too many raises as opposed limping outright, I rarely open limp and I only tend to limp behind with pairs, and half decent suited aces, the rest I raise or fold. I could do with having a good look at my vpip and see where I should be 3betting and where I should be folding, instead of calling.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I've been running at 22/9 over the last 7K hands or so, what's that make me?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

OK, I need to know really where I'm going wrong, so I'll share my pre flop range for you all to comment on...

Limits 2nl, usually 8+ players, rarely less than 5, looseish table (if it's too tight I'll move), average of 2 outright fish per table while the rest are either poor or average, with the occasional good player. I consider myself average, which is better than 90% of the average table!

Early (UTG -UTG+2), *I limp 22-TT AJs AQ, raise AQs+ AK JJ+, fold the rest.

Middle (UTG+3, +4) No limps - I limp 22-66 A2s -A9s 67+, Raise 77+ ATs+ AJ+, fold the rest.
Limp(s) - Roughly same as early
Raise - Call 22-JJ, raise QQ+ AK, fold the rest (I'll adjust if a fish raises)

Late (HJ- BU) No limps - I raise 22+, A2s+, 56s+, AT+, suited broadway, fold the rest (button I'll raise ace rag off suit if it's folded around to me).
Limps - same as no limps, just bigger raise
Raise - Call 22-TT AQs, raise JJ+ AK, fold the rest.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest, I tend to make up with small pairs, sutied connectors, broadway, raising monsters and folding junk, BB I allow a limpfest with hands up to 77, scs, weak broadway, and raise strong scs, 88+, in raised pots similar to early pos range, and just the sb limping I play HU button mode, ie raise any ace, suited king, J9+, 22+ etc.




I would imagine it's obvious that when I limp pp's, I'm set mining, so stack sizes are crucial here, I'm looking for fish yet to act, raiser or limper to have 100bb or more, in which case I'm willing to play my hand for up to 10bb pre flop. Basically if the implied odds are definitely less than 100bb then I will fold small pairs and raise the rest.

Table dynamics, stacks, pos of fish etc, these all play a role and so the above strategy isn't always going to hold true, but it's a reasonable assessment as a whole I think. It's more or less how I run at 22/9.

Tear me to pieces!

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I need a smoke after reading that post.

I've started playing 8 tables at a time, so note-taking has actually become quite a frustrating task....

Originally Posted by OngBonga

No, I find it easier now to just copy the word "fish" before I get started and paste it into the notes whenever necessary, it's pretty much the only note you need at 2nl, along with your HUD.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

don't categorize players, have specific reads on everyone if possible. categorizing leads to horrific misreads and misplays.

Originally Posted by dranger7070

Sigh, don't treat 2nl and 5nl like they're different games. They really, really aren't.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Early (UTG -UTG+2), I limp 22-TT AJs AQ, raise AQs+ AK JJ+, fold the rest.

Middle (UTG+3, +4) No limps - I limp 22-66 A2s -A9s 67+, Raise 77+ ATs+ AJ+, fold the rest.
Limp(s) - Roughly same as early
Raise - Call 22-JJ, raise QQ+ AK, fold the rest (I'll adjust if a fish raises)

Late (HJ- BU) No limps - I raise 22+, A2s+, 56s+, AT+, suited broadway, fold the rest (button I'll raise ace rag off suit if it's folded around to me).
Limps - same as no limps, just bigger raise
Raise - Call 22-TT AQs, raise JJ+ AK, fold the rest.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest, I tend to make up with small pairs, sutied connectors, broadway, raising monsters and folding junk, BB I allow a limpfest with hands up to 77, scs, weak broadway, and raise strong scs, 88+, in raised pots similar to early pos range, and just the sb limping I play HU button mode, ie raise any ace, suited king, J9+, 22+ etc.