Originally Posted by jameseyb

I'd be more conservative than that, raising only AA, KK, AKs and AQs

Originally Posted by jameseyb

I'd be more conservative than that, raising only AA, KK, AKs and AQs, and calling with the remaining PPs and KQs, AJs.

SCs I'd be folding as well as my "average" hands like AT, Ax and KJ. Position's the killer.

J

Originally Posted by jameseyb

I'd be more conservative than that, raising only AA, KK, AKs and AQs, and calling with the remaining PPs and KQs, AJs.

SCs I'd be folding as well as my "average" hands like AT, Ax and KJ. Position's the killer.

J

Originally Posted by Roco415

Play from SB...

I was wondering which hands should i complete the SB with after limpers, w/o limpers against BB and when the pot has been raised from various positions...?

For example, i had a j-9 os in sb and there were two limpers, i figure its getting good odds but im gonna be OOP so what are the true value of hands in the small blind

Originally Posted by Lukie

What to call with? Depends on lots of stuff, what I think of the players in the pot (how deep they are, how far they take marginal hands, are they calling with PP's or are they complete fish calling with Q9s, etc). But complete trash = instamuck. Hands like 58o, J4s, A3o belong in the muck every time.

Hands with potential like small pairs, Axs, suited broadways, suited connectors, 'big' o/s cards like AQo, KQo, AJo, etc. are pretty easy calls.

Hands like connectors, semi suited connected junk, etc, I'll usually call with*

Originally Posted by Lukie

These questions are really, really, really situation and read dependant but I'll do my best.

Raise up your big pairs. Sometimes raise other stuff. I usually raise AK in these spots, and almost always AKs. Sometimes other stuff too, but don't go crazy. You're first to act post-flop in what's likely going to be a multiway pot. Just calling with AK here sometimes is OK, and I should probably do it more often to be honest.

What to call with? Depends on lots of stuff, what I think of the players in the pot (how deep they are, how far they take marginal hands, are they calling with PP's or are they complete fish calling with Q9s, etc). But complete trash = instamuck. Hands like 58o, J4s, A3o belong in the muck every time.

Hands with potential like small pairs, Axs, suited broadways, suited connectors, 'big' o/s cards like AQo, KQo, AJo, etc. are pretty easy calls.

Hands like connectors, semi suited connected junk, etc, I'll usually call with.

if it folds to your SB, this is when it becomes really read dependant. What to do depends so much on the player, but I don't complete very often to be honest. The type of player that I'm most likely to complete against though is the type that always checks his BB and folds to a bet on the flop. Usually though I'm either raising or folding. I just fold a lot of hands here and I usually make it 3x if I'm going to play. Tight/aggro here. Lots of players suddenly become really loose/passive in these spots and I really don't understand it. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by ProfessorOfOuts

Also, please realize that my advice is generally to play an open preflop game, by playing starting hands that can go in a lot of speculative directions, and playing REALLY good post-flop poker. Also, let's not forget that if either of the two limpers has JJ or QQ and is disguising, I'd rather have AA-QQ, AKs, AK, KQs-56s, before ANY other pocket pair. Being 70/30 or 75/25 dog (or better) is way better than the 81/19 dog you are with little pair vs. bigger pair. If you're overpaired in the hole by someone else you're going to be about 8% to make a set by the river if you miss the flop. Assuming both the remaining cards that will make your set are still live, you'd be about 4.25% after the turn if you missed again. I would say in this situation I might even consider throwing away pairs up to at least 55 unless you call for set value and are fairly certain the BB is not going to raise.

The funniest thing about liitle pocket pairs, is that they lose a tremendous amount of their value post-flop, in multiway hands when they miss, unless everyone else misses too. Since you'll only flop your set about 10% of the time, by taking 8:1 on a pre-flop bet, the EV you're getting (Let's use a $5/10 NL game round numbers are easier to work with) with Little pair vs. Bigger pair for half a bet preflop would be: 0.9*(-5) + 0.10(40+x) where x is the amount you're likely to win if you hit your set, I would put this on average between 1/2 to the total of the pot, if we average it @ 3/4 of the pot you'd have 0.9*(-5) + 0.10*(40+(0.75)(40)) or a positive expectancy of $3.50. 35% of a big blind. Meaning it's a barely profitable play. If you figure to only win 50% of the pot extra after the flop (might be more reasonable considering in a multiway pot others can make straights and flushes and possibly even a better set then yours), the EV gets even worse: -4.5 + 0.10 (40 + (0.50)(40)) = $1.50. The play would net you a whopping $1.50 on average, 15% of the BB. I really don't like making calls with an EV that marginal. That's basically what you'd be getting with 3 callers to the flop and none of them either having an overpair, or pairing higher than you on the flop.

Originally Posted by Roco415

1. so basically if the stacks are deep enough anyhand is a profitable call because of implied odds if you can potentially double through somebody....and

2. about connectors, i find ive been losing a ton of money playing these out of position, for example ive been floppin 22-7 with a 6-7 and losing to a pair of eights, i know you shouldnt play 67 for the single pair but it seems like if ur only playing for the straight/flush, you are losing money even though you make a lot when you get str/flush because you lose out of position so many bets overall...
(i guess the only way to truly get an accurate picture is to purchase poker tracker and attempt to completely revamp my game with a little help from you, BTW thanks for all your contributions, you guys broght things up i never wouldve thought about...)

Originally Posted by ProfessorOfOuts

x is the amount you're likely to win if you hit your set, I would put this on average between 1/2 to the total of the pot

Originally Posted by ProfessorOfOuts

The play would net you a whopping $1.50 on average, 15% of the BB. I really don't like making calls with an EV that marginal.