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Roco415
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11-24-2008, 06:09 AM
Post subject: Play aces the same way??
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($17.60)
Hero (CO) ($24.40)
Button ($10.60)
SB ($8.20)
BB ($13.80)
UTG ($14)
MP1 ($24)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A
UTG calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $3.85, 4 folds, MP1 calls $2.85, MP2 calls $2.85
Flop: ($12.15) 9, 10 , 7 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $8, MP1 raises to $20.15 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $12.15
Turn: ($52.45) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($52.45) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $52.45 | Rake: $2.55
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Sugar Nut
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3bet more preflop.
Make it $4.5 at least. People's biggest mistake at these levels (and beyond) is calling too much. Make them make an even bigger mistake by calling with even worse odds.
As played it's fairly standard and a cooler if you lost (which I assume).
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martindcx1e
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Roco415
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no he actually Had KK...lol surprisngly, i jsut wanted to see if you agreed with the play. i mean i cant always assume someone flops set on me although it seems that way. what would you 3 bet to?
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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I would second that. Just keep getting the money in when you are ahead.
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kmind
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
3bet more preflop.
Make it $4.5 at least. People's biggest mistake at these levels (and beyond) is calling too much. Make them make an even bigger mistake by calling with even worse odds.
As played it's fairly standard and a cooler if you lost (which I assume).
Sugart Nut
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Roco415
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lol some how i missed the 4.5 amount stated, sorry about that haha. thanks
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I wouldn't raise much more PF. You want to give them a chance to hit. 4,5 is probably good. 3.8 isn't a mistake imo.
On the flop you're getting 2:1, so folding is really hard. A lot of players (including me) will check-raise this board on a strong draw against the initial raiser.
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Sugar Nut
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I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
Definitely no need to make it less than pot
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
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why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.
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sil693
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
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if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet. |
HUGE difference between min 3 betting and 3bet shoving.
not such a big difference between 3betting to $3.85 and 3betting to $4.50. I think thats the important bit - at this level, if they'll call $3.85 then they'll be more than willing to call $4.50 the majority of the time.
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Originally Posted by sil693
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
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if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet. |
HUGE difference between min 3 betting and 3bet shoving.
not such a big difference between 3betting to $3.85 and 3betting to $4.50. I think thats the important bit - at this level, if they'll call $3.85 then they'll be more than willing to call $4.50 the majority of the time. |
right. sugar didn't say that though (i guess maybe that's what he was getting at though).
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kmind
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Pretty sure it was obvious what Sugar Nut meant.
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guess you're right sorry everyone move along 
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Wasn't trying to come off a douche btw - realized my post may have that tone
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martindcx1e
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it's all good
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Roco415
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
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why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet. |
i really dont think you are correct in this assumption. i dont think this relationship is linear. how many times have you been much more suspicious of a huge shove than of a mid size value looking bet.? and even further, how often do you sense a small minnish value bet and just fold even though youre getting amazing odds?
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I was wondering about this too, Thanks for posting.
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Sugar Nut
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i never advocated shoving. Just making it pot at least.
And I know for a fact that cally players in my games don't draw a line between a less-than-pot and a pot 3bet if they've decided to play their hand.
Can't imagine this is different at 25NL
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you guys wanting to 3bet bigger are just huge nits that never 3bet light.
Seeing how OP is probably one of you, I'll agree with making it $4.25 minimum.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Roco415
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.
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why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet. |
i really dont think you are correct in this assumption. i dont think this relationship is linear. how many times have you been much more suspicious of a huge shove than of a mid size value looking bet.? and even further, how often do you sense a small minnish value bet and just fold even though youre getting amazing odds? |
go ahead and start 3bet shoving AA every time and see how profitable it is for you then.
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didnt' he 3b pot or am I missing something here
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Sugar Nut
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pot would be exactly $4.60
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