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Jay67s

09-06-2006, 01:39 AM Post subject: Play with a 98/90/6

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I played 80+ hands with a 98/90/6. After the flop, he would play over 50% of the hands for stacks.

His stack varied between $100 and $450. This is 200nl 5-max.

What's your strategy?

I will tell you how I did later

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IowaSkinsFan

09-06-2006, 02:13 AM

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expand your range to kx, ax, any pp sc. take extensive notes on what he does, most likely call him down with mid pair or better.

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myself

09-06-2006, 02:31 AM

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If he plays that many hands for stacks just wait for good stuff and stack him.

bigred

09-06-2006, 02:33 AM

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Yeah, I'd switch into passive set it or forget it nit mode.

LOL OPERATIONS

Beck

09-06-2006, 02:48 AM

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i tighten up real good, and when I make a hand i take it all. I difintely do not have the balls to call him down with middle pair

-Beck

andy-akb

09-06-2006, 03:04 AM

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You guys are honestly tightening up here? Im playing as many pots as I can against this guy.

Ill play a lot of drawing hands against him simply because our implied odds are going to be so good. With broadway hands Im calling raises but not making my standard raises or reraises because I will have no FE with my Cbets when I dont hit and when I do hit Ill get paid off no matter how small the pot is preflop. Big pairs Ill try to get as much in as early as I can.

Really though, against players like this you just cant tighten up. Look at his range, you can play more hands profitably against him simply because he is playing so many worse hands. By tightening up you are losing a ton of value and allowing the other people at your table to make the correct adjustments and get his money before you do.

Cocco_Bill

09-06-2006, 03:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

i tighten up real good, and when I make a hand i take it all. I difintely do not have the balls to call him down with middle pair

You tighten up? LOL

Cocco_Bill

09-06-2006, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bigred

Yeah, I'd switch into passive set it or forget it nit mode.

sarcasm?

Against this kind of player you need to open your reraising range way up and play top pair type hands for stacks. He is itching to give his money away don't let the others get it before you do.

andy-akb

09-06-2006, 03:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigred

Yeah, I'd switch into passive set it or forget it nit mode.

I agree that we need to play solid one pair hands for stacks, but should we really open up our reraising range? The only reason I would do it is for isolation. Yes KJo is ahead of his range, but Im not reraising simply because he isnt folding to our bets postflop and Im not betting every street unimproved. Calling his raises preflop and letting him hang himself postflop I think is the best way. A play like this will make it easy to get his stack regardless of how big the pot is preflop, Id rather call more raises with speculative hands than open my reraising range.

Cocco_Bill

09-06-2006, 03:21 AM

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This also applies when playing good lags. You hurt their game a lot more by reraising them often preflop instead of always calling and hoping to hit.

Lag style works against passive opponents unwilling to gamble who let themselves get outplayed post flop.

andy-akb

09-06-2006, 03:29 AM

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Against bad laggs though why not just call? Im not arguing about how to play against good laggs, but against bad laggs we lose that fold equity and honestly will be able to still make near the same amount simply because a bad lagg isnt going to look at the potsize and will build a big pot when they shouldnt.

I reraise big pairs against bad laggs that do not need to hit to have value and call with broadway cards knwoing I still have a very good chance at their stack if I hit and give up less the majority of the time I dont hit.

Cocco_Bill

09-06-2006, 03:35 AM

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Ok, maybe against a player this extreme, calling with unpaired broadway hands has some merit, but a typical lag does not stack off that easy and is very capable of folding when they think you are ready to go all the way, so you usually do have folding equity when you miss, much more so than when you don't reraise pre flop.

mcatdog

09-06-2006, 04:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

i tighten up real good, and when I make a hand i win a tiny pot because someone stacked the maniac a long time ago and he's gone

FYP

Jay67s

09-06-2006, 12:55 PM

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Good responses, I will describe the table setting and some of the action

On my right was a 22/8 guy -- Then me a 17.7/7 -- then villian 98/90/6 - the next 2 seats varied because they got destacked some and left but mostly they were playing 4o%+

The action preflop : when it got to villian he would hit the raise button mostly, sometimes a little more than the minimum. He would always bet/call the flop, if he bet it, it was an overbet. If he had any of the board on the turn or an over by the turn he was playing for alot of money, otherwise he would check/call. He could fold the turn if he had absolutly nothing and was facing a good size bet.

I stopped playing middle suited connectors. Started playing Ax Kx hoping to hit top par.

The important part in this is the "other" two loose players. They built big pots.

Pokerroom skins don't have villians hole cards. But he never showed me better than Middle pair

Hand 1. Villian is BB
Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.60
Button: $311.60
Hero: $187.20
BB: $206.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with T

UTG calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB raises to $2, UTG calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: T

($8, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, UTG folds, Button calls, Hero raises to $17, BB calls, Button folds.

Turn: 8

($44, 2 players)
Hero bets $40, BB calls.

River: 6

($124, 2 players)
Hero bets $90, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $304
Hero shows 10S10C

Hand 2 -- villian is SB

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $259.60
Hero: $289.20
SB: $209.00
BB: $64.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with Q

UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $11, BB raises all-in $62, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 9

($186, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $186)
SB bets $45, Hero raises all-in $225.2, SB calls all-in $100.
Uncalled bets: $80.2 returned to Hero.

Turn: 8

($476, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $186, Sidepot 1: $290)

River: 7

($476, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $186, Sidepot 1: $290)

Results:
Final pot: $476
Hero shows QD QH
SB shows JS 5S
BB shows 6S 6H

Hand 3 - Villian is UTG -- I played this badly, but I didn't want to see a flop more than heads up.

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $186.40
CO: $346.00
Button: $99.00
SB: $210.00
Hero: $462.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q

UTG raises to $4, CO raises to $14, Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises to $125, 3 folds.
Uncalled bets: $111 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $47

Hand 4 this finishes him off

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $469.50
CO: $68.60
Button: $516.80
SB: $78.50
BB: $177.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J

Hero calls, CO raises to $4, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: Q

($18, 4 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls, CO raises to $25, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $80, CO calls all-in $39.6, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $15.4 returned to Hero.

Turn: 5

($172.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $172.2)

River: 5

($172.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $172.2)

Results:
Final pot: $172.2
Hero shows JS QS

I ended up on the table $360 not bad for 80 hands. The other "tight" player got his AA busted when the villian flopped a straight with a 2,4.

Beck

09-06-2006, 09:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

i tighten up real good, and when I make a hand i take it all. I difintely do not have the balls to call him down with middle pair

You tighten up? LOL

OK OK, so I play him wrong. no reason to make fun of me.

I usually play these guys waiting for a good strong pair or better yet a set. but as you all point out I guess I can loosen up andtake advantage of him sooner.

-Beck

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