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JoeHaw

06-30-2009, 04:26 AM Post subject: pick one or more of 6 hands from todays 7hour session 2NL

#1 (permalink)

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Join Date: Mar 2009

Location: IL

Posts: 186

If you don't feel like reading them all just pick one- I appreciate it either way. If you think reads or more details are necessary in a hand where I didn't post them, let me know, I should have their stats somewhere- and I didn't want to post all my thoughts for every hand right away when they might not even be discussed.

HAND 1
Really I'm just wondering about bet sizing in this one ,especially on the river. I'm feeling a 1/4 to 1/2 sized bet would've made me more probably.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($1.15)
CO ($1.76)
Button ($2.65)
Hero (SB) ($2.61)
BB ($1.50)
UTG ($0.68)
UTG+1 ($0.80)
MP1 ($3.02)
MP2 ($1.13)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, K

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 5 folds, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.06, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.18) 6

, J

, Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.38) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

River: ($0.86) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.62, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.86 | Rake: $0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
HAND 2
I was really scared of the full house here? Was I right to be? What do you think of just calling on the river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($2.49)
MP3 ($4.45)
CO ($1.89)
Button ($5)
SB ($1.71)
BB ($3.20)
Hero (UTG) ($3.58)
UTG+1 ($4.60)
MP1 ($0.92)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

Hero bets $0.07, UTG+1 calls $0.07, 6 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) 5

, 4

, 7

(3 players)
BB bets $0.34, Hero calls $0.34, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.90) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

River: ($1.54) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Total pot: $2.34 | Rake: $0.10
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HAND 3
Bet more turn less river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($1.71)
SB ($2.13)
BB ($2.99)
UTG ($5.04)
Hero (MP1) ($2.23)
MP2 ($0.76)
CO ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3

, 3

1 fold, Hero bets $0.07, 2 folds, Button calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.17) 8

, 8

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.37) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, Button calls $0.18

River: ($0.73) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.42, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.73 | Rake: $0

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HAND 4
Mainly concerned about my river play here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($2.75)
MP1 ($3.11)
MP2 ($1.78)
CO ($5.11)
Button ($2.04)
Hero (SB) ($5.15)
BB ($4.80)
UTG ($0.71)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

, 7

3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.24) 7

, A

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, BB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.52) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

River: ($1.16) 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Total pot: $2.16 | Rake: $0.10
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HAND 5
Flop bet probably could've been larger, but I was okay w it- I figured the J was a good card to fire a second barrel on- should I have fired again on the river? bigger on turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($2)
MP2 ($2.95)
CO ($0.69)
Button ($3.03)
SB ($2.72)
BB ($8)
UTG ($1.81)
UTG+1 ($5.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8

, 8

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, Button calls $0.08, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 9

, 7

, 6

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.16, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.59) J

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.28, UTG+1 calls $0.28

River: ($1.15) 7

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.15 | Rake: $0.05
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HAND 6
Definetly bet river here? I think I'm retarded now for thinking he could have had a flush when the Jack on the flop was spade- right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($0.99)
Button ($0.97)
SB ($4.85)
BB ($3.15)
UTG ($1.46)
Hero (UTG+1) ($2.73)
MP1 ($1.35)
MP2 ($3.46)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, Q

UTG calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.27) J

, 7

, 9

(3 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.87) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.42, BB calls $0.42

River: ($1.71) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.71 | Rake: $0.05

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spoonitnow

06-30-2009, 04:50 AM

#2 (permalink)

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Posts: 5,406

Hand 1: Bet more on the flop. To analyze the river, put together what you think his range is and how often he calls different sized bets. Then it's a simple EV calculation as to which bet size is best. Practice this in a few spots where you're not sure how to bet and you'll start to develop a feel for it.

Hand 2: Raise the flop. This deep you are just asking to lose a huge pot when the board pairs and you can't get away from your hand.

Hand 3: I think the flop bet size is about right, but you should bet more on the turn since there doesn't seem to be any part of his range that folds to a larger bet that doesn't fold to an $0.18 bet. As played, the river bet is fine.

Hand 4: Just calling preflop is a more profitable play in this spot (oop + omfg odds + it's not going to flop an overpair very often at all). As played, bet the flop harder, and possibly bet the turn harder. I'm seeing a common trend in a lot of these hands so far where you're betting too small - think about what hands fold to a larger bet size that you beat. If there aren't very many if any, then the larger bet size is almost always going to be better.

Hand 5: The flop bet is probably fine, but I would probably take a free card on the turn. As played, you've turned a hand with some decent showdown value into a bluff that isn't going to get any better hands to fold very often, which generally isn't a +EV thing to do.

Hand 6: Bet more on the turn. Think about this spot from your opponent's point of view. I bet he's thinking, "Oh shit he only bet around half the pot so now I'm getting better than 3:1 odds on my draw which makes this massively +EV."

L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

06-30-2009, 04:51 AM

#3 (permalink)

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Posts: 833

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hand 1 - bet more PF, flop and turn....at 2NL Id make it atleast 5x with KK if there is a limper in front....when value betting against a worse range bet atleast 1/2 pot...try 3/4 on flop and 2/3 or more on turn. Dont bet smaller on river.

hand 2- don't slowplay. I repeat do nottt slowplay. Raise flop. Bet a shitload more on turn. Think of it this way, if ur losing ur entire stack on suckout/coolers or when ur behind, but are only betting small and getting called with worse when ur ahead (wining only small bets), arent u going to lose more than u win in the long run? Start betting more when ur clearly ahead! if u raised/bet more on the turn, river would be a no brainer.

hand 3 - again, bet more on the flop turn, river.

hand 4 - bet more flop/turn and blockbet/fold river...if u check river his checking back all the things u beat that he mita called with

hand 5 - have some kinda stats/reads when double barrelling as without it can't really say much about the hand

hand 6 - raise more pre. u cud raise more on flop and get away wit it, bet a lottt more on the turn, and it wud b a ez bet on the river if he called ur strong flop raise and strong turn bet cuz most of ur stack is alrdy going to be in there and his range looks more like a strong J than a 9

Hope the feedback helps.

jyms

06-30-2009, 11:06 AM

#4 (permalink)

Tilting Mod

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 4,836

Mostly try betting your hands a little more like these guys are saying, but most of these hands are played OK. I don't think these are the hands that will make the difference in your winrate. I think you should find hands that are more confusing or harder to figure out what to do.

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JoeHaw

06-30-2009, 04:24 PM

#5 (permalink)

Straight

Join Date: Mar 2009

Location: IL

Posts: 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Alright I really appreciate your feedback so I'm gonna give this a try (even though it took me a good 25 minutes lol)

Villains range by river:

Missed Draws 20% [KTh etc.]
Mid to Strong J's [JT, JK, JA] (probably on draws) 40%
Mid to Strong Q's [9Qs, TQ, KQ, AQ] 30%
Sets+ 2pair handing me the rope 10%

I'm leaving out the busted draws because I figure they won't call anything.

I also assumed if the set/two pair range would raise it would be about pot sized.

Bet sizing:
Ten cents
(.10 x .40) + (.10 x .30) - .10[.10(-.10)+.9(-1.00)] = -$0.021
Thirty cents
.40[.30(.40)+.0(.60)] + (.30 x .30) - .10[.25(-.30)+.75(-1.20)]= $0.0405
Sixty five cents
.40[.10(.65)+.9(.0)] + .30[.75(.65)+.25(.0)] - .10[.4(-.65)+.6(-1.45)]= $0.0983
Ninety cents
.30[.2(.90)+.8(.0)] - .10[.75(-.90)+.25(-1.80)]= -$0.059

Higher bet sizing than .65 leads to the strong Q range folding exponentially, so I'm guessing my bet sizing was actually correct?

Did I do this right?

littleogre

07-01-2009, 05:24 PM

#6 (permalink)

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Posts: 1,344

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hand 1 bet 10 cents before the flop. On the flop bet pot.

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