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EasyPoker
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02-21-2010, 11:42 PM
Post subject: PF bet sizing
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Full House
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I always usually stick the 4xbb + X limpers rule, but there are some spots where I want to play a particular hand but don't necessarily think it's *that* raise-worthy (like connectors).
What variations on bet sizing could I employ without giving the strength (or lackof) my hand away?
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Full House
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I stuck with 4x +1bb until i got to 25NL. I think at micros you don't want to vary your PF raise based on hand strength as it, isn't necessary and you may end up giving up too much info away.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Yeah, I never very based on hand strength, it's always the same...the idea being that it makes it more difficult for opponents to guess what I have...ldo
I just meant hands like 56s etc
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kiwiMark
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We can say ldo now?!
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spoonitnow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
I always usually stick the 4xbb + X limpers rule, but there are some spots where I want to play a particular hand but don't necessarily think it's *that* raise-worthy (like connectors).
What variations on bet sizing could I employ without giving the strength (or lackof) my hand away?
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Raise anyway.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Raise anyway.
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Your advice is trustworthy, so I will do this...
However, just for reference purposes, what is the rationale for raising irrespective? I'm guessing it's because it's more profitable in the long run.
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!Luck
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Full House
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Cause having 56s in position and having initiative is better than playing 56s 4 way in pot that you don't control action.
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kiwiMark
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
Your advice is trustworthy, so I will do this...
However, just for reference purposes, what is the rationale for raising irrespective? I'm guessing it's because it's more profitable in the long run.
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Would that answer really be satisfactory for you?
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Thanks !luck
@kiwiMark - No, unless that was THE answer.
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eragotte
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that you keep seeming to be looking for in your topics doesnt exist fyi
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Originally Posted by eragotte
that you keep seeming to be looking for in your topics doesnt exist fyi
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Stop trying to score brownie points.
Nowhere did I suggest that's what I was looking for here. I merely stated that if that was the answer to the question I asked, then it would be satisfactory.
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eragotte
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eh ill stop posting on your topics since you seem to ignore continuously, however i do somewhat know what Im talking about 
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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eh ill stop posting on your topics since you seem to ignore continuously, however i do somewhat know what Im talking about |
No keep posting, just remember that we're all here to gain a better understanding.
Good day.
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spoonitnow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
Your advice is trustworthy, so I will do this...
However, just for reference purposes, what is the rationale for raising irrespective? I'm guessing it's because it's more profitable in the long run.
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Because open limping sucks. If it's profitable then raise, if it's not then don't.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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daven
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
I always usually stick the 4xbb + X limpers rule, but there are some spots where I want to play a particular hand but don't necessarily think it's *that* raise-worthy (like connectors).
What variations on bet sizing could I employ without giving the strength (or lackof) my hand away?
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I don't like the idea of pre-flop bet sizing variation based on hand strength.
sort of related though, it is pretty common to vary open raise sizing by position, 4x/3.5x in ep, 3x or even 2.5x in steal postions. I guess you could argue for 4x+1 with steal hands at either end of your range and 3x+1 for the others, dunno.
re not-so-raise-worthy hands - why do you want to play these hands? will you make money from them long term? if so, then the standard raise question answers itself, if not, then perhaps a fold is in order...
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spoonitnow
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This is basically another open-limping thread. Maybe I should add something about open-limping to the FAQ.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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jyms
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I know it's locked but I just wanted to add that I think Easypoker is missing a key point to all of what he is thinking when it comes to seeing flops cheaply, and that's what all these threads are about, seeing cheap flops.
The problems your faced with is that over a given length of time everyone is dealt the same cards. We all get 56s the same amount, AA the same and flop sets/2 pairs the same. Over a significant amount of time you need to find edges that make your game better than others and this comes form playing different than others, ie; Skill advantage. If everyone has their AA vs 66 lose to a set and everyone flops 2 pair the same amount of times they play 9To by limping in EP, then how do we win more than other players over that same length of time? This is what you need to learn, skill advantages. Stop trying to see flops and let the cards decide who wins. That's bingo. Go to any church and plunk down your money and get your cards, or learn to play a skill game with some skill. Stop trying to see flops and then get the money in because if you have any reasonable ability to think about this game you would surely see that without some sort of skill advantage, just seeing flops and trying to hit hands is going to result in the poker site winning all the money from raking hands all the while the money just moves around to whoever is getting luckiest during the time your sitting at the table. Try to picture 9 guys sitting at the table playing the exact same way as you for 20 years, where will the money end up? How do we change where the money goes?
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