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gonefishin420
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04-14-2009, 04:17 PM
Post subject: patience....how do u do it
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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I was wondering if there was anything specific that i could do to help gain more patience i do fine uptil about 2 hours into to then i loose it play crazy and im gone i do fine at the casinos but when im online i just get bored...so does anyone have any tips for me to go by would appreciate it thnx
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froggie53088
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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i had the same problem when i was playing like 2 tables cuz you dont get a ton of hands worth playing. Now im up to about 4-5 tables at a time and theyre all "fast" tables. Alot of ppl do alot more than 4-5 but it is plenty to keep me busy to the point where i dont have time to play my J9 at one table because i have AK and QQ at two others
so try more tables (if your bankroll allows it)? or fast tables?
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shyguy03533
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Lower ur limits and play more tables. I used to play 2 tables of .05/.10 cents, and get bored after an hour, and i noticed i was playing bad... a losing player
i ended up playing 4 tables of .02/.05 and saw an increase in my profitable play.
Also, you could play 2 tables and 2 9 players SNGs...
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u can just gain the discipline and stop playing once you realize your game is off. its hard to do, but you KNOW (or at least gain that instinct after experience) when u should stop.
One of my tells I use I gained from Jennifer Harman. She realizes she should stop playing once she can't bluff anyone at the table anymore with AK. if people are calling u down with middle pair while your 2 or 3 barreling AK, they either have your image sized up, or its just not a good day for u. thats whuts good about online poker, theres always another day.
It all depends really, because you need to find the right stake. For me, the lower the stake I go, the more careless I am about chasing draws and throwing money into the pot, but the higher I go, the riskier it is for your BR.
I am actually pretty comfortable on .02/.05 on ftp, its really soft and Im seeing huge profits 4 tabling.
Ill usually play for an hour or 2, stop, analyze my play and notice the hands ive lost money on, and try and figure out what i can do, then play for another session.
try to avoid 5 hours sessions as theyre draining.
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AFchung
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when i play more tables i tend to be more patient. when i play like two, i raise way too many hands because i get bored
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RightMeow
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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lol to be honest... when i play online tournaments, im always watching a movie on tv with my laptop beside me... and i just pay attention to both of them. That atleast keeps me from moving in on the crappier hands when i get bored and what not. That is the best way i can do it right now.
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flyingtriangle
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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I've heard plenty of people say playing multiple tables helps them stave off boredom and play more consistently, but for me I start to get distracted if I play more than one or two tables, which usually leads me to play even worse than if I had just been bored of sitting out hands at a single table. So if I find my attention starting to waver, I try to focus more on the hands I'm sitting out, trying to guess what each player has and how they will play the hand. In addition to keeping your mind focused on the game, this technique can also help you get reads on players that you might otherwise miss.
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shyguy03533
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Originally Posted by RightMeow
lol to be honest... when i play online tournaments, im always watching a movie on tv with my laptop beside me... and i just pay attention to both of them. That atleast keeps me from moving in on the crappier hands when i get bored and what not. That is the best way i can do it right now.
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You tend to miss out on ALOT of information and betting patterns whenyou do that. I used to do the same and stopped and saw my game grow alot. A way to keep from being bored is to watch the hands ur not involved and takes notes on the players like
"called all in shove on turn with mid pair"
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"chk raised with flush draw on flop"
if ur in a tournament and run deep, ull be surprised how those notes will help u on the later tables if those players make it deep too
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S1x
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The most important thing to remember is that there's nothing wrong with taking a break, especially if your boredom is making you too loose.
If it's just ring games, then having more tables open at a time may help. I play a small number of tables but try to watch each of them, and then if I see something interesting unfolding, I'll eye it carefully and try to guess each player's hand and make notes if anything gets revealed. I may even start talking out loud if nobody's around. "Really? That's a bold raise; maybe you want to protect your hand and get him out of a draw? Oh hey, he called. What will you do now?..."
I also like having background music playing from somewhere, although people have said that may be more of a distraction than it's worth.
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surviva316
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so multi-table without practice and pay less attention to playing poker?
i think advice like take ritalin or do yoga or something might be more in the right direction
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S1x
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Well clearly somebody shouldn't try a ton of tables unless they're already decent at it, but I would think that it's obvious enough that it doesn't even need to be said.
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Ragnar4
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If you don't have the discipline to be patient when the money doesn't matter, what makes you think you have the discipline to learn all of the math/odds/patience/tilt control/metagame when the money does matter?
Not my fault you're not willing to focus and concentrate.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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okiman
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Watch other players' tendencies. Take notes. Try to guess what other players are holding. Playing isn't just about what you have, but what other players have as well. There's nothing you can do about how often you get a playable hand, but you can always work on reading other players.
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surviva316
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fwiw, i 4-table and sometimes 5-table, but i didn't get there because i was bored. i got there because i went from one table to two and when i was good enough with keeping up with reads and notes and general play i moved to three and then after another a couple thousand hands i felt comfortable enough to move to 4.
IMO the line of thinking of "i get too impatient playing at just one table, i'd do better if i opened up three more" is about as flawed as "damn, all these donks keep calling down my bluffs down with garbage. i'm gonna move up a limit where people actually know how to play."
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shyguy03533
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If you don't have the discipline to be patient when the money doesn't matter, what makes you think you have the discipline to learn all of the math/odds/patience/tilt control/metagame when the money does matter?
Not my fault you're not willing to focus and concentrate.
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you kinda made my point even clearer. if im used to playing at .10/.25 or even .05/.10, and i move down to .01/.02 just for the hell of it, or i start playing a .10c tourney, why am I going to really sit and pay attention and try harder when my 5 hours of work in that tourney will make me come out with a dollar at most.
The higher the stakes, the more willing u are to pay attention because the more it matters and the more money is to be bought. You saying whut u just said in ur post is basically saying you have NEVER thrown away or penny, or seen a dime on the floor and not walked passed it instead of picking it up. The same applies for poker when it comes to someone playing at much higher stakes and then playing at lower meaningless ones.
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jackdog1963
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I used to not have patience while playing. Ive learned to watch how the others play and trying to figure out what others are playing when Im not involved in the hand.
It can be hard sometimes when 30 hands have gone by and youve not seen anything worth playing.
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by shyguy03533
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If you don't have the discipline to be patient when the money doesn't matter, what makes you think you have the discipline to learn all of the math/odds/patience/tilt control/metagame when the money does matter?
Not my fault you're not willing to focus and concentrate.
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you kinda made my point even clearer. if im used to playing at .10/.25 or even .05/.10, and i move down to .01/.02 just for the hell of it, or i start playing a .10c tourney, why am I going to really sit and pay attention and try harder when my 5 hours of work in that tourney will make me come out with a dollar at most.
The higher the stakes, the more willing u are to pay attention because the more it matters and the more money is to be bought. You saying whut u just said in ur post is basically saying you have NEVER thrown away or penny, or seen a dime on the floor and not walked passed it instead of picking it up. The same applies for poker when it comes to someone playing at much higher stakes and then playing at lower meaningless ones. |
it doesn't sound like you play poker because it's enjoyable or because it's an art worth studying or anything like that, but simply because of the money at stake. if low stakes games aren't "worth focusing on" then i have a hard time believing that you're ever gonna develop into a calm, collected, focused player.
when i see a dime on the ground i don't reach down to pick it up because it's no fun and certainly not interesting to do so. when i play .01/.02 poker games i still find just as much intrigue and entertainment as when i play other games, so i devote just as much competitive energy to it.
there are plenty of exercises that can be done (some of them in the digests) that can help you to see the importance in every detail and to care about every detail and to keep you from being bored in the process. i think that this is far more beneficial than taking on a too good for the game you're playing approach by taking on higher stakes, playing more tables or watching a movie while you play.
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Ragnar4
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If you don't have the discipline to be patient when the money doesn't matter, what makes you think you have the discipline to learn all of the math/odds/patience/tilt control/metagame when the money does matter?
Not my fault you're not willing to focus and concentrate.
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you kinda made my point even clearer. if im used to playing at .10/.25 or even .05/.10, and i move down to .01/.02 just for the hell of it, or i start playing a .10c tourney, why am I going to really sit and pay attention and try harder when my 5 hours of work in that tourney will make me come out with a dollar at most.
The higher the stakes, the more willing u are to pay attention because the more it matters and the more money is to be bought. You saying whut u just said in ur post is basically saying you h ave NEVER thrown away or penny, or seen a dime on the floor and not walked passed it instead of picking it up. The same applies for poker when it comes to someone playing at much higher stakes and then playing at lower meaningless ones. |
Poker discipline and being a penny grubber are two entirely different and unrelated things. This argument is nothing more than a red-herring.
Instead of thinking as the amount of money in the pot being "oh it's only 32 cents, I call." You need to think of it as. It's 16bb and represents 25% of my stack in this case, and it's a really big raise, and I don't have a hand that's willing to go to war right now. I fold.
Instead of thinking of the limits as boring, instead think of the limits as different levels of professionalism.
You probably have to play in the middle school league and be successful in order to play JV in HS, you have to be successful in JV in order to be Varsity, and so on and so forth until you get into the Professional levels.
Patience is the 2nd thing you should learn as a pro player, right after where the fold button is. It's by far the most important tool we have in our belt.
In fact, You shouldn't play for real money until you can sit for 3 hours folding at free money stakes taking notes, making taking reads, and not thinking "oh god this sucks bawlz".
If you can play well when the money doesn't matter, the pro's better look out when the money does.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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RoyalProdigy
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Play more tables. Take notes like crazy. Listen to music while you play really helps me out a lot. You should not watch t.v while you play unless its a game you don't giva hoot about, then go for it. But you can still listen to music and take notes and watch your oponets. You can also read up on strategy here and there while your playing, i've done that before but its not the greatest idea. I just listen to music now and take a lot of notes and it keeps me busy, if i get bored to the point where i'm raising wrong or playing bad i get off for the day/night or even just a few hours.
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jackdog1963
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The only time I watch TV while playing poker is watching poker. But I still stay focused on my games.
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JKDS
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Patience is stupid.
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by RoyalProdigy
Play more tables. Take notes like crazy. Listen to music while you play really helps me out a lot. You should not watch t.v while you play unless its a game you don't giva hoot about, then go for it. But you can still listen to music and take notes and watch your oponets. You can also read up on strategy here and there while your playing, i've done that before but its not the greatest idea. I just listen to music now and take a lot of notes and it keeps me busy, if i get bored to the point where i'm raising wrong or playing bad i get off for the day/night or even just a few hours.
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This is far superior advice
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bjsaust
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I dont see why noone suggested to just stop playing after 2 hrs and take a break...
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Just playing to improve.
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macatac100
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Just concentrate and think of the money you could have.Watch all the other players moves to see who's bluffing and who's got'em.You've already put in 2 hours,so at least get some of the money,money,money,money that's why your playin.
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Keith
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Just concentrate and think of the money you could have.Watch all the other players moves to see who's bluffing and who's got'em.You've already put in 2 hours,so at least get some of the money,money,money,money that's why your playin.
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seems to me that you are being entirely results driven.Scroll down and find my 1000 hands at 10NL post .A hand I played badly but won a big pot. Conversly you can play a hand perfectly and still lose/get stacked. You should be aiming to play hands well ( and the money should then follow over a period of time) rather than winning money but playing poorly as over time the poor play will mean that money will be flowing away from you.
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how can you give away a winning strategy like this at no charge..
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This or what's wrong with playing for two hours then shuttin' down doing a work out eat a good healthy meal then sitting back down? That might work!
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I dont see why noone suggested to just stop playing after 2 hrs and take a break...
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