Originally Posted by drmcboy

Aggressive > passive is pretty much Doyle's entire point in SS. Read it. Now.

Aggressive win when:

No one has a hand
They have a better hand

Passives win when:

they have a better hand.

2 > 1

Key here is you need to be playing passives who are smart enough to see the hand you're repping.

Originally Posted by ChezJ

it's true you can't bluff a typical LOOSE passive player. but you can absolutely bluff a TIGHT passive player who folds on the flop without TPGK.

both are passive. their bluffability has nothing to do with their passivity.

ChezJ

Originally Posted by ChezJ

well again i would say that calling down without any kind of hand is "loose" as opposed to "tight."

if someone else flop trip queens with a higher kicker yet simply called you down instead of raising back at you, i would call that "passive" as opposed to "aggressive."

ChezJ

Originally Posted by ChezJ

well again i would say that calling down without any kind of hand is "loose" as opposed to "tight."

if someone else flop trip queens with a higher kicker yet simply called you down instead of raising back at you, i would call that "passive" as opposed to "aggressive."

ChezJ

Originally Posted by ChezJ

i'm not the one mixing up terms... you're redefining standard poker terminology and cooking up entirely new definitions wholesale.

since when do the words "tight" and "loose" apply to VP$IP only? when did "liberal/conservative" and "straight/crooked" enter the poker vernacular?

this reminds me of the other thread where "aggression" suddenly meant nothing but "bluffing." sheesh.

if you can point me to a book that contains your new terminology, i'll take back what i said. until then, i'll stick to the definitions that sklansky, malmuth, and other poker professionals use.

to answer your original posted question, you should read "the theory of poker" by david sklansky. i think it will explain a lot of fundamental concepts that you may not fully grasp.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-books.html

ChezJ

Originally Posted by JeffreyGB

Here's a quick, precise list of definitions:

Loose - plays many hands and may play them too far

Tight - plays only hands wherein some advantage is evident; gets out of the hand when expecting to be behind

Aggressive - bets more often than calls; makes bets that are significant relative to the pot

Passive - calls more often than bets; may make bets that are too small to have any effect (usually with bad/no reasoning)

Originally Posted by fjuanl

A tight player doesn't play as many starting hands as a loose player. That means tight aggressive is someone who is picky preflop, but when they are involved in a hand, they are very aggressive bettors.

Originally Posted by spino1i

Well if these definitions were correct, then a Tight Aggressive player wouldnt bluff, since by the definition of "tight" theyd be behind so they better get out. It just goes to show that you need more words than those to describe playing style..

Originally Posted by spino1i

Are there any articles/books that really explain why aggression is better than passiveness in general when it comes to Texas Hold 'Em (doesnt neccesarly have to be referring to NL Hold 'Em, could be limit)?

Originally Posted by jmontis

depends on the hand, and who you're against. Aggression works both ways, you have to know when to NOT bet, just as much as when TO bet.

Passive players just seem to take the extreme and don't bet at all without a monster hand, or are very tricky with their top pairs.

Aggressive players can dig themselves in a hole if they are betting weak hands into guys who simply checked the flop, thinking their middle pair is good.

Originally Posted by Element187

using my home games as an example .. people call down with any ace high.

my last game i destacked two players when i hit three queens on the flop and both my opponents called me down with ace high with me dropping the hammer on the river and getting both to call. i call it world poker tour syndrome.

and i do see the play alot online as well although they hold something like AK or something.