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AllinLife
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03-01-2005, 12:40 PM
Post subject: Party changes to 100bb structure
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Flush
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no more monkey poker
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TheDoc
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2004
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i hate it, makes stealing less profitable at my level
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Its kinda nice in some ways, but i noticed it has lowered the average pots, and people get all in less often. Makes it a lil easier to raise for info without getting committed. Just woke up this morning and noticed it myself and left an incoherent thread in the poter etc forum.
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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oh and big stakes NL poker! holy shit you little fuckers this is great.
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Waggho
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 260
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It´s nice that they have lowered the minimum stakes to $.10/$.25. Also, I think it was odd playing with just 50 bb, when used to other sites where the max most often is 100 bb or even 200 (Absolute).
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
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Assuming stack sizes are $25 does that make it profitable to call a preflop raise of $1 with PPs? Possibly getting 25-1 for 8-1 odds. Correct? I assume its definitely a good play if there are several limpers.
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ilikeaces86
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Its a great play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
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Sweet I like this - I had to move back to $25 because the $50 gave me a few beats and put me on scared money. Next time I move up I can actually play poker. Pot sizes did go down though.
Aces - go back to posting hand histories. I liked seein inside the minds of higher stakes NL players than me. If you dont Ill move up to $200NL for a day and take your bankroll.
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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sorry I am just really busy. I will try to put them up as I play them otherwise they get lost in the infinite PT database
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Its a great play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Agreed, I might start party ring full time now because of this change.
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ensign_lee
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Average pots going down = average stupid fish plays going down = less profit for people exploiting stupid fish plays.
I don't liek it, but there's nothing I can do to change it, so I'll just accept it... 
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Average pot means nothing all that matters is if you can get a fish to make that one vital mistake and exploit it.
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yeah, but now we have to make it so that he makes A COLOSSAL mistake, not just the fishy everyday ones that they make. Because once they make one of those small ones at the lower buy ins, they're pot-committed and have to follow, whereas even a fish can see why he shouldn't call that $100 bet into that $100 board with top pair decent kicker after he already called a $30 bet previously
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twosevoff
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Flush
Join Date: May 2004
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Average pot sizes are going up if you look at in relation to the blinds. The new NL25 has comparable avg pot sizes to the old NL25 (maybe $4-$5 lower on average), while the blinds have been chopped in half.
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ensign_lee
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Yeah, but the fish stay at their buy-in level, generally. THey don't follow the blinds structure.
I was looking at the $200 NL tables, and all I see are rocks. The average pots at the $200 NL are often SMALLER than those at the $100 NL!!!
But oh well...spilled milk.
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r8ed
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I think there were some bugs when Empire rolled this change out. I went to .50/$1 (not $25NL or $50NL) and clicked on NL. I was on a PL table with blinds of .1/.25. I notified them and they said they changed the blind structure. I still pointed out the table was labelled incorrectly. They noted that I made $6 in my brief stay and left it at that. I played an orbit since I didn't realize the table was off and had already paid a blind. I wonder if other people ran into this and lost money.
People point out that PP are a better bet now. How does this affect other starting hands?
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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hands like AK go down in value drawing hands go up
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Legendash
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Full House
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Crypto 6max 100NL
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I'm used to 200BB stacks at VC where limping is a way of life, i'm surprised party had 50BB at all. At 200BB you can't really protect pocket pairs easily and drawing can be very profitable, everyone is real loose, took me a while to adjust from stars and i still can't believe the shit some people play but i'm making money, still want to get over to party as soon as i've got enough roll to clear a full bonus.
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Just start limping and be careful with AA KK QQ
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
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I usually don't play suited connectors under JT, but if I can limp in you think I should start? I'd like to be able to play more hands without getting too loose and into fishing too much.
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ensign_lee
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Allright. The honeymoon period where people log in and go "what? the blinds are what?" and keep on betting the way they used to are over.
The $.50 $1 blinds are now officially where they normally are (in terms of average pot) at other sites (at about $40).
Oh boy...and now the the loonies don't know where in teh heck to go. and my loyal $1 $2 NL is now filled with rocks.
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twosevoff
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Allright. The honeymoon period where people log in and go "what? the blinds are what?" and keep on betting the way they used to are over.
The $.50 $1 blinds are now officially where they normally are (in terms of average pot) at other sites (at about $40).
Oh boy...and now the the loonies don't know where in teh heck to go. and my loyal $1 $2 NL is now filled with rocks. |
$40 is actually a large pot size for a .5/1 N 100BB max buy-in NL. On the cryptologic skins, which are fishy and weak as all hell, the .5/1 NL game has the same structure and usually averages around $20 per pot.
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